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Welcome a professor Noam Chomsky -- microphones.
Doctor -- Including -- ahead Jim hegemony and then survival fails State's appeal emissions and you know what they say goes.
Informed consent -- professor of linguistics and philosophy -- MIT.
And you know you've you've been for years talking about -- how we.
It seemed didn't make a lot allegiance is not best based based on democracy or justice but based on nefarious reasons and that's how we choose our allies.
Not a big secret I -- In the Middle East for example other limits in manufacturing consent not informed consent -- -- could have and uninformed if you.
Yup it's all over the documentary record and it's obvious from the historical record.
Takes -- Egypt treadmill.
Back in 1958.
Disgust with his staff what he called -- Campaign of hatred against -- in the Arab world.
Among the people not the government.
And the national security council of class planning.
-- it released a report in which they explained it this.
So there's a perception in the Arab world.
That the United States.
Harsh and brutal dictators and blocks democracy and development.
Because similar interest in controlling there -- oil supplies that went on to say that.
That is more or less accurate -- -- pretty -- we should be doing and so it continues right up to the present.
You -- have an editorialized today talking about the Arab world is on fire.
According to -- Jazeera.
Shockwave set in motion we cannot turn back correct them induces a ever this is a mushrooming.
Movement I guess at this point is a -- where do we see it -- Well and it's very hard to see it heading but it's pretty clear that it's.
It's quite a spectacular event it's hard to think of apparel oh really.
The rising up.
Spontaneously really against it.
Decades of the repression and violence.
That economic programs that have -- Tiny element that crushed the public good.
And they're doing it was enormous courage -- -- what has been.
What we've seen.
In the Egypt for example is -- really quite spectacular.
Hundreds of thousands of people standing up against.
Brutal -- issued -- police forces.
Beating them backed.
Trading against fighting off for the pure guess that's beatings that taking over liberation square in Central Square -- -- and demanding freedom.
What is it that you think gave them the impetus and the courage to do it -- Tunisia may be too simplistic an answer but what are the confluence of events have really.
Led to this.
First -- been simmering for a long time.
And people have.
Who observe Egypt closely.
Been expecting that something might happen.
To this he was kind of spark.
Which should the broke through the barrier of -- that you just can't stand up.
It began slowly.
It was mostly -- the use initiated this young people would.
Population is overwhelmingly young who just didn't want to take anymore -- boot.
Started small other sort of joining in pretty soon it just became an incredible -- movement.
How do you feel about the United States responsible for.
Well the United States has been the strongest supporter of the Egyptian dictatorship which has one of the -- -- In the region harsh and brutal.
And the US has been pretty much following the what is a familiar playbook this is not the first time.
Over and over the the US has supported the brutal dictators.
Supported them through the last minute.
When they couldn't be sustained any longer so if the army turned against them.
There's a certain.
180 degree shift than the that the past azureus -- and the new sort of pretend you've been sporting freedom and people along -- that was truthfully.
The Reagan administration with.
-- to listen the Philippines should do that in Haiti it.
The -- and South Korea that it was true true.
The bush wan administration.
US strongly supported bill.
-- who who has -- worse than most vicious of the the dictators in the eastern zone that put sport until the end of the show and -- I -- we -- the shah of Iran and a and is that if you turn against them when he gets forum anymore.
That's presumably the playbook it's being -- Isn't justify what kind of doctor Noam Chomsky is is it a justifiable fear that Iran can be replicated.
In Egypt and of course a big concern among those who are supporting Mubarak seems to be if we don't we might have a worse fate in -- Well if you have a democratic government you can't control it.
That is -- who would employ imperial powers have always been -- student democracy.
You want your favorite dictator because spooky things and control.
Have to decide are we interest didn't.
A domination and control over.
Allowing people the freedom incidentally -- -- concerned about the the move listen a Muslim Brotherhood is a little bit hypocritical and and suvs well it's you know that's true that if there was.
Democratic opening and -- Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood would be a substantial.
Element of that there.
Big -- organized group.
The United States hasn't -- historically we're even now been opposed to radical Islam.
Of the most extreme.
-- radical Islamic -- -- stages Saudi Arabia.
Your closest element.
But it also happens to be the ideological center of -- Islamic terror but the US supported it.
Has always supported it partly as a barrier against secular nationalism.
Which is a very dangerous country.
Extremely maybe the most Anderson world.
Do you would call of course a couple of weeks ago.
Leading political figure was assassinated.
The because he opposed to blasphemy laws.
And that there was.
Right afterwards of support for the assessment.
That led by.
Strikingly the young lawyers who have been calling for reform they were supporting the assessment.
Well who are these people.
So these are people whose education was in extremist.
Madrassa is -- extreme religious schools.
Established by the worst dictator and that the Pakistan industries -- hooked.
But with food those who need the money.
Which radically just this globalized the country.
And that was the favorite of the Reagan administration.
-- strong -- supporting them.
So you that's what happens can't.
He can't pretend that the world doesn't exist.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- We go into Iraq.
That country do away with -- leader -- you want the people to decide in -- and all the -- examples you -- historically.
We've -- just the opposite.
While protesting otherwise -- we -- -- -- that.
Picture of Saddam Hussein.
The Reagan administration strongly supported him.
In fact he was taken off the terrorist list in 1982 and so that.
They could provide him with support.
If the Commerce Department approves sending them all kinds of raw material -- Tell them the in fact.
-- to own -- home but in 1989.
Under George Bush number one.
The US actually.
Nuclear engineers to the United States for training and advanced weapons production.
How do we get away with a because it's.
Not reported or scarcely reported bird denies -- There's a kind of a loyal intellectual -- -- because it.
Where we go from here do you think what -- you what you're project what do you think happens over the next six months year couple years and in in the middle is this the beginning of a democratization.
-- that's very hard to predict I think there.
Powerful forces who will try to block it.
Not just the United States but its allies to.
For example into an issue the U.
The worst offender was not the US with France from the attitude issues.
Former French colony that the fracture overwhelmingly involved and supporting the dictatorship.
There were there were certainly will be powerful efforts to prevent.
Any significant change.
Population can withstand this pressure is what we don't know.
And why we're not making more -- quicker advances -- getting off this this -- we have for foreign oil.
So we can be free of some of these entanglements.
Actually have to be very careful it's not.
It's not our use of foreign oil so for example to go back to the Eisenhower years.
Has asserted that it National Security Council.
-- urged control.
The Middle East -- but we didn't use.
In fact the Eisenhower administration had -- policy -- at that time.
Instead of using cheaper Middle East oil so -- to benefit to Texas oil producers.
That he really should the -- control.
Even more than -- if we were a 100% solar which still want to control the Middle East oil supposed.
There's -- leave -- world control.
Right so then we will always have to have these relationships with the did these regimes who we deem would otherwise deemed to be dictatorships -- unsavory.
I don't think we have to -- I don't think it's good for the American population.
Just as I don't think -- an invading Iraq was good and you want to control that oil wanna dominated world that's gonna have to do.
-- that's no question we -- dominant.
If that's the goal than that unfortunately is live.
That -- is what comes with that goal at -- And it's it's extremely -- -- harming the country -- For one thing it's increasing.
The terror there's virtually no disagreement on -- but for another it's tanking the economy.
-- there's great concern about the deficit.
About half the deficit is military spending.
There which is the US spent about as much as the rest of the world combined that's not for defense.
It's for control.
And it sort of severely.
The economy -- sort of it's but it driving us into debt to.
That's a major -- cost of -- unemployment not the only one by any means but each one factor.
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