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Good Friday afternoon everyone welcome to gadgets and games I'm your host Clayton Morris is a big -- I it's a big day for me even to be -- -- tablet news -- my -- for the first time today ever after the eye doctor so I'm like.
Grabbing at things and I can't really see stuff and actually grab our guests by the neck by accident.
Or one pops out of my I like it was doing all morning long today please forgive me that was my first time -- I I'm so used to squinting when I look at the camera.
Now on having the -- to not actually squinting.
Welcome to big show course really talking all kinds of tablet news this is the Friday show the Friday edition before Wednesday's big announcement out there at your -- when -- senator for the arts.
In San Francisco where most of our panelists will be next Wednesday including myself.
So without further ado let's dive right in and introduced our great panel would get six guys and we have -- one person.
-- his days running up the elevator as we speak stuck in traffic so we'll get Josh on here from engadget just a second but first let's go to Michael Gartner.
He is live via Skype -- afternoon VP of strategy analysis -- interpret LLC Michael nice to see you.
Thank -- and beyond and believe happy new year and -- -- studios on week.
Absolutely we're all sort of in in anticipation right now the big day.
We're gonna skip over actually looks to see if we can't show Josh his MDC down we cannot -- him -- shot tonight.
But that is Josh to -- -- from engadget he will be here at the end of the line down here next Steven.
-- -- That and down there won't would go around the horn here that is Stevens until course he is a deputy editor for Kotaku dot com.
And gaining going to have a big presence this time of the apple announcement so Stephen glad you could be here and -- died and that.
Here yet apple invited -- felt like -- -- you have to be very interesting very interesting next to him to his left is rostrum and of course.
Executive director of industry analysis within PD group nice to see Ross designs -- and you have to -- having my trouble -- I have the apple have a right.
I thought I saw something -- -- view an expanded his left of course is -- -- -- editor in chief of PC mag dot com lance nice to see you.
I didn't care and of course like I said while Josh -- -- from engadget dot com he's the editor in chief he will be here in -- -- -- -- shuffling commotion coming and we'll get that but before we introduce anybody else let's go out to Robert Scoble he has live via video.
-- good -- hey Robert nice to see you thanks for the island in this afternoon.
Yet got my National Geographic -- here right ready for the tablet look at that so.
You -- -- via video this is amazing here we go between these two shots -- -- it's possible in our -- right now we've got Robert on video which is a new system we're using here.
And we've got Michael on Skype and -- what you see the difference look at that.
Michael I think -- looks a little better for its.
-- and in real -- bad in commercial.
Robert what do you got set -- -- -- -- -- -- the National Geographic set up that was at whole hard drive that was released a few weeks ago right filled with every National Geographic issue -- It's 65 gigs on a hard drive.
So you can.
Look at every issue made through last year.
Well all through last year -- felt like for all the way up until last year right -- except -- continuity can see every page.
And just kind of given us an idea of how we might begin to think about using this tablet device.
Robert what's your sense -- here sort of playing with that on your on your -- the iMac there.
You think this is going to be one of the best case -- scenarios for this device.
I think it starts here on that I -- with that -- -- Ohio's in San Cisco and they view on.
-- that it reality on top.
Physical -- so they did back to late to Lagos has done.
When you go into a story you hold the box in front of their camera and them.
And a virtual image they're Lago pops out of the box.
So imagine you could have that on the tablet.
Where something could -- out of the National Geographic that would explain right more what you're seeing you know video or a 3-D model or something like that when -- Computer like a computer all right so as yeah but you're saying like a computer and I -- well -- -- playground ball.
You boys -- to see you know their PC -- wrote a great piece about it nearly a week ago or so -- and he brought up and said.
He said what you know at tablets need.
Apple to explain to us exactly what it is about these devices that we need or want is that an accurate.
Way to frame the question.
Well I think that we run out of all of our options because no one -- -- to tell us what these tablets of war you know and we saw a lot of them we -- with some variants on the scene we didn't suddenly nobody IdeaPad U which was open netbook and -- tablet yeah you're full -- about the screening have a tablet.
And then what.
What do you do -- that I.
Everybody seems you -- you read on it yeah you touch the screen.
But you caress it -- -- what do you do with this thing so so that Apple's job next read these cheap to tell us.
-- the course strategy for all tablets in the world and wide tablets are fundamentally.
Better than anything that has come before them.
Much Joshua announced that it's a little bit let's welcome hello John -- -- just got off the out of traffic.
Yeah welcome got upset as I -- outside what I mean look like he's got after -- electric -- -- -- -- I've policy elect Frank Sinatra you like to roll in a little -- unless Baghdad or at all.
So you were laughing his lance was saying that -- with sort of waiting I'm gonna -- -- in a bit tongue in cheek but I was sort of waiting to find out from apple.
What exactly we need this thing for is that a bit of a joke or is this for her real well I think if you -- it's happened before right so we tablet idea is not -- -- the belief is that apple have some.
Like they -- for music players and revolutionary.
Idea or some revolutionary -- accuse.
That will change how we think of these devices I actually think -- famous and on our podcast yesterday.
And the one thing that I started thinking -- I -- in fact I had not thought before and was is this gonna be Apple's played to.
Bring out the inner creative and everybody in terms -- this obviously -- This is good for playing music you can do that on it's not watching these can do that this is four drawings for pain for editing for making music wherever you are that kind of stuff that they've been doing with Barack and but taking that to.
You know its next logical step where you've got this sort of interactive.
Candidates -- -- that's the one thing where it I think apple could.
Everything was gonna -- the media centers in the yeah you can that you need for communication.
You can do that with all the devices exist right now what's -- -- that we don't see.
They have been pushed to them I think content creation creating.
Being a creative and creative everybody I think -- sort of apples thing.
So Michael does does.
Does apple have all the answers then orders and then fall to third party developers to say wait a second you've given us our life -- -- ten or whatever else we're gonna see on the tablet but.
You haven't even begun to think of the ways in which we're gonna be able to use this from a third party standpoint we think.
It's a combination of both great they're gonna have to go -- directions they're gonna have to explain why.
This is more important than just using a -- or using the iPhone.
I have this device doesn't fit right in between as soon this is all this space by itself this is how did you not something that you want instead of one.
Or the other I think -- now almost gonna have to really -- saying hey here's where all your talents hell you're one artist is gonna succeed.
Interest in point I mean does it they act almost create the space and explain to us how the space fits in our lives must immediately -- iPhone.
You know I think that.
You know -- has an interest in perspective in terms of the creativity.
I am just not sure that's going to drive kind of mass market volume spent that Apple's looking for whether -- consumer platform -- you -- numbers here.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- They're trying to break into -- close system and they don't have control of the screen.
They like that things integrated so if they can put together some sort of video content bundling deal -- it becomes a more viable option becomes easier for the consumer.
To to justify.
Or perhaps a -- greater price -- -- this just for.
For watching video on the device streets and that interface that you keep you what you think you could do both but -- certainly Johnson certainly on the device and we saw why -- I recently yeah I'm looking wireless him.
Right now yeah we're going anywhere now yeah I don't know -- -- That you feel wireless -- if you're gonna go from there the only emerging power house we have Stephen hear from -- -- to -- to -- because.
Gamers have been invited in the Big Apple event.
That we've we've been getting multiple phone calls on all -- from apple personnel have us there so they were of course won't say anything about.
What became a connection -- this is gonna be but it's clear that Apple's been moving more and Marvin and -- direction of video -- they kind of stay away from gains for much of their history.
And the -- -- at some games on there and -- recently in talking about how they have more titles.
There -- -- that yes they.
But the problem is just for talking about how we don't know what tablets are for for all these other functions.
I really don't know -- tablet is for video games because at least with.
IPhone gaming iPod Touch gaming we have models of touch gains on the -- and we have miles of PSP in this -- -- -- screen.
But what's what's the game going to be like on one of those tablets we have -- -- -- -- You know honestly I I because I was talking about I imagine that ten things I would do with -- tablet I got my hands and I really believe multiplayer gaming.
In in person is going to be a big part of this.
I don't think that's probably -- scrabble and travels let me just scrambling around like.
-- yeah seven introduced -- multi touch for that platform and one of the things they haven't some of them that tablets.
That they put the convertible tablet is a game and -- we actually controlling stuff to people -- other southern controlling stuff to shoot things back and forth.
And I think that that's going to be perfect a perfect into.
Utility for that for this tablet the thing about this tablet that I think is really important is that this is.
It is the -- is going to be sold with the ultimate consumer device take it with you when you way to keep you entertained too is Josh said because I really do agree with us to create.
To engage and at all levels I think you're gonna be sitting there with your your child and -- sitting on the plane -- attention ahead but the chapel and they can be finger painting on it.
And then -- Good morning -- scoring important.
-- -- They're -- -- -- that none of those points if you describe -- things that you can't do on an iPod Touch and what what is going to be important note this is why is this not just them being iPod Touch because it all there is.
I think people really disappointed Robert yeah go off because it -- Michael it if you have iPod Touch I -- I have an iPod and I is that a lot of my couch.
It just isn't good enough to do a lot of interaction with the media and with blogging I can't blog on here very easily I can't.
Played Rick really the rich kind of games that I'd really like on my Xbox it's going to be interesting device.
To see if it takes over the couch.
We -- that you can't you can't play games I mean it.
Then that's one of the problems there right I mean he's -- he's an example you can use blogging is another example or anything else -- we're used to having.
The controller or mouse and keyboard or other physical interface and we very seen and we had a lot of coverage of the -- -- this week.
Is the challenges that developers even on the iPhone are facing with trying to simulate buttons trying to simulate that things not just any easy games that -- in -- growth in the port over the I.
Right trying to use touch controls that you get what he enjoys -- -- than those.
Look like there's going to be buttons on this device in Minnesota and for all of those other purposes my account I happen MacBook -- -- -- -- -- in house.
And I can block evidently -- -- -- normal people don't wanna sit with a laptop watching TV I -- you know if they -- -- flat device that they can.
If you -- universal remote controlled outlets that apple TV.
Where I things Jack your videos over to my bigger screen if you think that.
To tell -- For the elderly the other problem.
Practically I think Robert is it is right now and and Michael I think you're being.
A little hard on the potential for a product like this and you say well the -- the iPod Touch it you know.
That apple isn't going to come out of the gate with a -- iPod Touch it gets out there's no way this it'd be.
Usability paradox here that are going to be.
Different we've seen every if I don't -- to go yeah Andrew he's my little my selected Jon Gruden he's accused -- were pointed out -- pointed out.
Brilliantly that there's no way Apple's gonna release an iPod Touch and those that sort of in the mainstream media said well I'm hearing it's gonna be like a large iPod Touch and -- being shortsighted because apple.
Would never just release another.
I don't like that sort of balkanized is what -- other items -- you're doing those things got really good family communities are a lot of photographers and I'm confident about it well.
That understands that the.
Else it's -- shorthand for consumers when this when you trying to explain this to consumers you know outside this room -- world technologist.
That's the shorthand that's going to be used I guarantee -- -- -- like what what what is it looks like a big iPod Touch but just more.
You know -- anybody I -- -- -- -- -- apple will not.
Position this is indeed iPod -- yeah.
It's causing consumers -- Well I think I think we're all kind of projecting known on CD unknown.
And establishes surprises here we don't -- if you can't let Robert Robert you've you've been you've heard some interesting stuff over the past few weeks out there what are you hearing are there anything anything that you that's been reported at least lately that we move.
You -- all -- all -- advertise at a -- are basically that.
Talk about the hardware and I think that's totally clueless.
I -- -- you know I've worked for anything back in 2002.
We have a tablet PC that was very similar with a quarter at stake it was beautiful Bill Gates -- 400 of them for -- of its brands.
That's not what this -- going to be about you Steve Jobs -- guys so you in new interaction technique.
That is -- -- be mine blowing to most people and I look at things like the -- Ohio that I visit last week as an indicator of what he could do.
You -- a camera round and it could do things with your physical world.
So I didn't want the reality I think Robert absolutely I think Robert is right and I think that the important thing -- to think about here is.
Yes it's going to be a large version of an iPod Europe and Haifa right we can get idiot -- right of the screen time but.
That -- I think where will that will be similarities but.
They're gonna have to find new ways to interact with -- -- and did you you don't put your entire hand on device for both of your hands perhaps -- -- device.
Opens up so really -- wouldn't hit for high era would you would you consider Microsoft surface of the iPod.
I went on out now now we've got now -- -- they yeah yeah -- yeah.
That's probably similar to this -- service was designed.
Through that medium.
And I think we're gonna see on Wednesday something that is really optimize the design through this form factor.
And that's where windows tablet some kind of all shortly -- later this is an honest I want it right in colonial experience that we.
Yeah I got it's I thought I it was in the front row with Steve Jeff and Steve bomber.
-- about the latest tablet PC and he didn't show anything do.
Did you write the software experience of how you interact with this device -- how this device gives you a view into the rest of the world -- -- -- -- Kim Cameron did -- avatar did you realize he had -- slate.
I can't read that he held up like this to see how the actors were interacting with -- each other in virtual space this is.
There is taking my -- New way to interact with our computers that we haven't really -- -- His interest and when it will be complete paradigm shift all -- 11 last application you know.
One of one of the real quiet stories has been about the success and growth of iTunes university you know apple is right accumulating more and more educational material they have a great legacy in the education space.
I mean this could be an education platform and one of the areas that a lot of today's.
Down had a short on having textbooks.
Being able to manipulate multiple attacks highlight -- fact when we heard from the medical -- we heard reports over the past two weeks about it is certain -- -- -- medical suppliers -- were.
Major hospitals actually having some sort of interaction with.
But with apple in this department meeting with them for this purpose I mean.
Right at the doctor the other day literally got of the tablet PC -- the tablet missing his Yankee I don't know what it want to.
You know and it and you have to imagine that is a -- wanna go out to right right over right off the bat well you know it's funny have tablets have had a history and some success in vertical markets that's where they they want and they failed everyplace else and you see -- -- -- -- doctors and health professionals carrying them around.
And then you know during the the last iPhone OS update they -- a -- play about how you can use it to work with third party medical device and we finally started to see some of that at CES this year I -- -- have seen it a lot more earlier this week finally started to see some of disintegration.
This year and extending Robert's idea obviously if you take eight in MRI -- and you connected and you basically position you know where -- positioned over the body you gliding the -- will -- you kind of doing is back and forth and seeing MRI.
In concert with the the the human underneath that.
That starts to -- little it's very minority report Stephen and Erica -- the united curiously not curious from you know media there was a report this we'd obviously from The Wall Street Journal and and -- it picked up on it that this thing could be.
A media -- mean this is the idea behind it given the Xbox Live experience is that being short -- -- to think of it like that or is it more.
People -- record -- journal articles talking about of people -- trade.
Applications each other for some things around and I think I think -- -- -- -- -- really -- -- -- I think some what John was talking about about.
Kind of whatever the magical effect that -- I think I think that device and how is that gonna feel and that's gonna drive.
Kind of media appetite people have for this what kind of stuff they want I'm not convinced.
That this is the alternative to watching television elsewhere -- we have.
A number really satisfying ways to watch TV -- our TV -- it's like play games on something where.
Take a real time strategy game -- these armies and if I can start touching and moving them around that's cool that's great and we we've seen.
-- go on the talent that there's any final you that.
I tell that he -- and his brother he's really matters is the price I thought this could that I can.
Well -- -- -- something that's -- -- every play your enemy Michael gone this tablet that's going to be really cool Michael go ahead we'll get to Robert.
Yeah -- you can also that he shared experience here considerably this holocaust -- -- behind.
So multiple members of family he's sharing his talent and did he join experience.
Of unamortized an initial high price point.
Make sense Robert go ahead.
Yeah I got.
I just -- -- which is you.
Started coming out with box -- except your big screen TV -- HDTV.
And brings you all sorts of online video and online entertainment experiences.
I have a feeling that by the end of next week we're not to be talking about boxing where we're going to be talking about a new apple TV with this apple tablet or slate or whatever they're gonna -- it.
And the integration of those two together it's gotta be really interesting to see what Steve Jobs pulls out.
Josh is that why we haven't heard anything about the apple TV other than that dinky update that we got which I actually like the updated the software update them in the fall but in other than that -- Apple's been very quiet on the property crime and had a runaway success right and one of those things that has.
You know every -- but Apple's success they don't talk about fact that they've got products like apple news and not a failure but.
Pretty happen pretty tepid response.
I think that media and -- talk about -- Roberts talked about it -- -- -- -- gonna play this.
There's got to be media -- with everything that you know there's there's I mean come through these media -- and it's obvious that there is.
People seem to want.
Are these -- talking about this this.
Duties and that sort of thing with this device but back again the only man and that's the thing that I think we -- think about here.
If it's so the interface -- fuel for thought yeah -- apple TV so.
That would be a very small audience.
It's either going to be some it replaces the apple TV yeah or something with the -- he goes away.
Quietly wanna use with your TV is solid hundred hours after the about injuries in my -- wirelessly -- -- there certainly could they certainly do that we ought not be killer yet but out.
You -- really quickly so the way in the way there are that you that we browse that he would find it and use it it's going to be different but you know.
I think roster were talking about with textbooks and the -- you the way you you look at looking you know we've just received the note and you kind of Kindle in the country right now.
And I think -- encourage -- -- so much desired I was talking my wife is also there site about.
How you page through what -- you can flip -- -- -- stop on any page you want.
And I think that we may see some of these really human and natural interactions with things like books that have never possible before on this device I think that immediately to deal -- Steve -- is looking flip through your book stop page up that page.
And there's a gesture that -- and stuff to be really powerful in the mind him.
Yeah Robert told -- it's -- and I couldn't help thinking about this yesterday especially as we heard about the app store or the media beat and Katie Katie Kindle development -- Robert I mean.
First of all the idea gaming on this thing as a junior.
And how EA games or video or video no -- something that I think I think -- snake I don't think that's.
Passages that Amazon is going to be using other display technologies and he might -- -- assault which I told you -- Which is right here here -- it's -- here's the thing about Amazon.
-- it's too little too late you have the open this thing up and gotten developers in involved platform.
Too late because apple has a 100000.
Apps or more for the iPhone which obviously -- gonna probably run on this side -- tablet PC.
-- Is it too late.
Well I -- -- question about being one off devices Obama I know I believe still there is a marketplace for these one off devices these devices that a single use.
But then don't open it up in such a way that makes it you know you're trying to get involved in that situation you know this is the best reading device right.
We don't game on this day we don't do anything else in agony watching YouTube video on this town however they would allow you to stream pandora over -- -- while I'm sitting here reading that would guys I doubt that I don't.
I doubt that -- one more feature.
They don't want us unique music you -- right now -- -- Anyone's upon the user does everything we can all you people people that are all of us yeah it's right here had a great experience for off.
I -- I think I could do because the battery had died on my MP.
You can play wow I.
Hey yeah that I conducted a little experiment yesterday because when I heard about this I have a very interesting that Amazon come out with me with that nasty -- and yes I thought it was late and yes I think it's a really response to what Apple's doing.
But I -- -- on -- go what ideas do you have for apps on the Kindle.
I got to.
I get to ideas from one -- With the and what happens you know I'll get one of what's good about was was treated as though nothing was basically Twitter client doesn't know that's got keyboard Beckett or you don't have to refresh that often -- it's okay -- -- -- Yeah it's I don't.
Governor Campbell -- like a recipe book I think.
I think this incident Google shouldn't do it because I think -- -- -- -- -- but but basically you have to look at the hardware -- and the -- is incredibly limiting.
There are certain things you can do with -- Amazon probably has been most limited.
-- -- -- It's a bad idea because essentially any digital device should be open to development and enhance it -- yes you always.
It's better device in some way in some capacity in a way that Amazon certainly didn't think of it when they rolled it out I want to ask you questions except that you lose focus of the original features and can kill you for your -- market -- auto.
People Kindle didn't -- played tetris reduce -- -- do -- -- read.
Taxes and that's what I'm saying I still believe there's a market for those types of devices -- -- -- massive march 12 yeah.
The other security trustees you can look at Apple's invitation and I hate to try if you read -- -- -- -- happily -- -- So much color and invite I think anyone who thinks because he's he's standing out as we're colored glass looks like against -- laughingly.
You hi hi Hillary William black a physical book I'm -- you leave this -- that -- video camera out.
And stuff pop up the pace immediately give them a little you have -- are planned around the book and started shooting at the verdict nevertheless it killed it well Tony I can't you with a -- now.
-- you had.
Pull it up for me if you look on your iPhone and a second we'll get back in a second you had an interesting book from one of the writers from CSI and -- love for you to go back here on the show you can't I don't mean throwing under the bus but he didn't pull up.
We're gonna get back he was second while you're doing that Stephen -- wanna ask you about gaming was the talk we've been hearing from.
Somebody's game developers and even hearing anything at me completely mom we know that DA.
Right is likely to be involved electronic arts definitely working with them they also Apple's been including some sort of secret pinging me.
Initiative for some time here they hired Ingraham the mine down by some long term gamers making -- -- -- Halo.
And he's got -- title he's involvement apple I think is titled iPhone gaming technologies but.
He's involved gaming there.
-- -- it whether it's internal apple folks whether into whether the amateur developers.
Who would be able to have gains that are successful pavlik it's his retirement apps before the -- question is.
You have something like an iPhone right where an amateur can make something that can look at him well from the professional and -- but.
The bigger the screen gets an excuse me in all the time and -- -- the -- and these are the great expectations.
-- -- -- this thing yeah yeah and so can be amateur developer of we're degrees something.
For devices that size that kind of user expectation.
I don't think.
That they can cultivate this -- grassroots.
For that you she's having some success.
Small developers and Xbox live with them that developed right -- -- -- But it but they they are there any swapped out by a larger companies that before it happened right yeah that it's obviously an issue that's -- I never -- -- wouldn't have even thought that's a great point when you get through it and display.
Or do you it certainly want to see that more graphically intense and and a polish.
-- even before -- Hamilton started heating up we've been hearing a lot about.
How apple wanted to do a premium game store.
Because you know game developers wanted to charge more than going to raise them more than -- More than 99 cents.
-- -- Can I feel like all of this leads to some essential questions about this product that the -- and that I really want to get answers for now I'm showing here more -- when we're out there but we talk about gaming on the big screen device right we have talked about battery life.
Surely this is something it's going to you know if it lasts and how are on a charge that's not going to be any good if it's a little immersive.
Hey guys it's an immersive gaming experience you expect a long battery life and storage space.
Where you gonna store the game.
Waiting -- store all this other stuff that's on -- if you don't -- in its replacement for apple TV is the whole movie can be stored on that and I by the way for the content creation because they think about this too and I'm hoping.
We will have a pen with -- -- they have some.
-- be a stylist no way I -- And for the first time at public -- now an apple store the announcement this week -- Silas you can now buy an apple so -- -- I thought helmet -- -- I think that love was exactly I think it's not outside.
The real realm of possibility Steve Jobs is known for do you mean this thing where he got about something army spotted spared -- and then says.
Yeah definitely do better and I can definitely see say you know what people love -- I care for him is that I've got us here.
People love touch interface on our on our -- is great -- act -- -- you know for a larger device each other ways to Iraq.
You know something he really you know lauded film both stylus on the side just all the other stuff you can do with a stylus and I hope I -- You re looking like apple has done in the -- -- listeners will hasten the past there's no particular political -- future yeah I know it's.
Like the peasants.
You expect that did not do it.
These kind of indicated it might do.
Exactly -- no one wants to watch video on an iPod control -- -- who wants that -- Robert I know so.
My first thought I was hearing about this idea of this tablet for as far as content or at least publishing I thought.
Company like the never ending story in a way you know I can -- in the contents maybe betray you was gonna come out of the book why.
Something like that's gonna happen but you have an interesting idea about this it shows what you're we have here.
This is level 26 from the guy who needs CSI and -- there's.
It's a book right -- you read it let me get it into that you -- penalty yeah they sure there's also video as you read the book along and I I can't get to -- -- the videos right now but.
You can see the tax is very nice.
But it's it's so small it's not a very satisfying experience.
Imagine having this.
Interaction type on a bigger screen it would be much nicer and so that you bought that any app store and it was it's like an -- price basically like nine bucks or something like -- -- they got paid thirteen actually would just try the most expensive I thought -- -- paid and then through some of the contents coming alive there's some interaction for -- -- video there's also what else is in there is that it.
That is and I thought out there's only video on the web site there's a little bit more interaction -- you can imagine now that you have an always on computer because it's.
This tablets supposed to -- on Verizon or AT&T -- in the -- I'm reading the in fact I've read that on your own life last night.
Or -- or are hurt her.
You know -- you're you should be able to chat about the contact you should be able have a shared experience of about whatever they're showing to you yeah you know I I was on the set a criminal minds that they could have a game.
Around criminal minds that you play on the couch while you're watching the show exactly outscored the different things that you could do with media about that.
There you have it nice screen -- And we -- so that when Xbox Live which is really exciting I think for families he'll consider I was at that one and 100 -- -- -- wonders how great is that to be able to think it outside the box not even having to rely on cable basically or local broadcast channels to get your content information you're literally on Xbox Live.
With some studio in Hollywood is producing content specifically for device families all across the -- country are playing.
Betting trivia whatever it is an -- families are winning you might win certain things you might not -- might just be for fun.
But a lot of things that were you that we're talking about each other things that I feel I'm very satisfied with the current device that -- tonight.
You gaining you watch videos but -- -- you know we have -- it doesn't -- that -- McCain movies and TV.
Magazines that is that are -- just thinking -- that that happened we just saw on the iPhone there.
The idea of tax integrated with video with imagery you know -- to -- is.
Big Brother site Gizmodo has had reporting on this on the initiatives to bring magazines.
Students -- And that experience which hasn't.
Any other devices that -- Easter.
A magazine a life.
We all we all -- I showed it here on the show a few months ago is that time magazine -- the sports -- at a time incorporated -- thing you can YouTube and its pretty fascinating video it's got three minutes long to see what Sports Illustrated sort of imagine given an idea of a tablet device being able to move around jump and -- video.
I guess this this presupposes that people.
Hate the experience of Reading standard books and hate the experience of -- regular every -- magazines.
You know this is about.
-- Steve Jobs has this idea I believe that he can save the magazine industry why is the magazine industry so interest in moving to platform like this.
Because advertising has disappeared on standard -- -- something that readers have disappeared but advertisers are unconvinced that they can get the responded.
I don't know if we had you bring up a great point we know from reports -- you know at least initially and and -- beating here recently apple they've been and -- discussions with with New York Times.
Conde Nast publications harpercollins News Corp.
Wall Street Journal all -- -- constantly -- so we.
Yeah so -- something Warner.
-- -- because.
Zeroes in business for almost ten years he magazines digitized -- putting on computers you can get -- perfect layout and and consumers are shown no interest what here's what.
So is that the reason why it's good to definitively said putting it on computers is that what is different computer reading magazines and yesterday when and how little he sees them -- -- -- -- -- -- This -- not tablet PC -- that if it would what Apple's making you see.
If you could use it without a PC that I think you're making a big mistake and -- I don't think you are but I think that.
That today to say it's out of -- -- if that is what this product is going to be socket at me it -- -- -- but I I think I'm.
-- I have the National Geographic in front of me it's not a good experience to read it in front of the computer like this.
Although it look at look at the beautiful photography and compare that might can be delivered on the Kindle yeah yeah but it's.
Just the -- management -- -- -- -- I think that the -- yeah -- interstate you know I'm I'm obviously I'd.
Blog you know you do you know yeah.
Yeah hot -- My unit is on the injured right right bachelor degrees and I made indicates that I -- -- huge -- both an ominous to me by them.
I cannot play and I have a subscription to the economist on my Kindle I'm about to cancel because I can't I I cannot stand reading the economist on the Kindle yet.
I you know I feel like I'm getting the paper additionally the economists and might go back to begin I -- we -- next week to see what happens.
Well well first of all there are some people subscribing to magazines on video PC mag is on any -- that's how we existence and of the magazine style.
Some people actually like that and.
But and I also subscribe to the New York are on my Kindle I think it's a fairly apparently -- -- one.
Experience -- -- it's all text but this is really about creating a new.
Content consumption experience.
Is outside of what we've done before and I think that.
It's almost like you have to forget about the past think about the new generations coming up.
That they probably will be consuming content in ways that we really scarcely imagined before and that's what that's what I guess I'll look.
-- look at this National Geographic image of Brazil all right.
It's static it doesn't -- it doesn't interact now imagine that there was videos that popped up when -- mouse over or put my hand over.
Or imagine -- -- at this chart and it it moves in brings in more information from the Internet right.
If you rethink the magazine from the ground up you can create some really wild.
I brought into question the question I have with that whether it's National Geographic or whether any of these other magazines that are doing fine or struggling.
Is -- to have the budget and personnel to suddenly start going in creating these for a painful Sports Illustrated it well okay I -- England -- yeah.
-- would you like to answer that for us you know.
Fortunately my company we no longer have any print publication so we move data but.
To do interactivity.
On any platform are -- -- magazine is pretty straightforward it replicate the experience that you had.
From print with a couple of alterations to do more.
Is expensive does take people that's a -- I think that's offense you've got myself -- well.
-- -- -- -- Competition from the left right it's not the -- -- iPod where you just drag music and turn the replay.
Well then there yet so -- do they then part of -- major content providers that we -- -- reportedly is near times and you have some of these flagship.
-- key products come out and show off and then you -- sort of forces everyone else the fallen mining a look at the app store.
Look at the app development process right you -- if you really strong players in the market you show up with Sega can do -- with super monkey ball you show off some of these key features.
And then you have mom and you know it kid in his garage making apps.
You know I again -- just wonder if that's going to be enough to differentiate from with the online web experience where.
-- there -- there are.
Web based conditions of the same publications.
Making so much of that content available for free beyond oil there's competitive contents.
Michael let's talk about carriers and yes reported this yesterday but.
It looks like it's going to be both looks like it's gonna be both Verizon and AT&T doesn't.
I'm Heidi and yeah yeah it looks like it's go to -- when I talk hospitals here for a lot of -- sources inside those companies who tell me that it's gonna happen and then I can go to press with a story that I believe is accurate so -- this is not conjecture -- -- fairly confident that we'll be here indefinitely if it were any good there's going to be devices for about.
Verizon and eight.
-- I believe at least from the Verizon standpoint.
Certainly from the Verizon standpoint that.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Right that's -- that's that's and that's entirely possible to but they're going to have to create two versions of it based networks don't think -- The CD NA and now they bring them the -- of wind now that I.
Catch you -- and it's another -- remember that for a lot of their audience these devices that -- -- around the world these differences do you see you beat him by god doesn't do you live you say it will just EZ -- and -- -- right it's there's going to be.
Variations -- museum and yes ember -- but I don't think there's any way either abandoning.
Yes and no way this now at all really that's gonna happen for sure -- that -- it has any kind of salary.
That's that's the thing that I wasn't so sure about I honestly wonder whether or not they'll do it but.
-- -- -- that Verizon point.
Hasn't Verizon being sort of young making little else not speeches -- statements of the last two years even if not longer.
The the -- coming to Verizon yeah some.
And writing and when I spoke to Jeff Nelson yesterday on the separate -- from the sources within there who told me specifically that they're gearing up for -- and it's coming to Verizon Jeff was very very emphatically.
Telling me how confident they are that they built this network.
With the sole idea of these types of devices coming to their network very soon.
And they and I when asked if they're scared about all the extra data usage -- -- absolutely not we built this device specifically with that in mind.
-- AT&T also seems to reflect that same sentiment but Verizon seem to be pushing in a direction that's been reported a number of times that they want these sorts of things they shouldn't maps.
I mean do -- think the fact they want something doesn't necessarily mean there any candidate and never got -- last minute negotiations denounced the liar.
And there's many sleepless weeks compliment being common carrier yeah that Robert what are you here because I mean I have to admit what I heard too is that they might not have this thing signed sealed and delivered yet we may not even get -- carrier declaration next week between either of them.
And that of -- -- I think only elephant in the room.
I don't know the context of Verizon very TNT they even.
I -- -- I would be very surprised if they announce a device in the salary.
And it's able you know back carrier partners later on and I think they're gonna have to have at least one.
For -- coming out of the gate.
This thing and we heard reports in the past so that Verizon has sort of been up and you know entirely in Apple's court as to what they're gonna do and so they may not have worked out every.
Every in -- dotted every I crossed every T with Verizon -- I mean you have to imagine though.
But there's gotta be relationship with the team team here right now without what and -- yeah what did you say although.
-- -- this -- I'm talking to you might draw made.
I using Verizon why did I call you on my direct Dryden -- -- my -- found that the -- these.
Hello there is a life a lot better -- it was never dropped calls I use my I used to migrate for conference calls upon him drop.
-- cannot be relied.
But this is about -- not about calls right I mean I don't I don't think that this essentially a giant phone.
This is about getting content and having it -- but I don't have.
Oh functionality yeah have to I think people want to do is I would tell the -- -- the -- little Bluetooth headset right exactly that's.
The other thing that's teams have -- tablets for NEC is that development of HD cameras like this one I use and we're seeing an explosion in HD I mean that the flip cams that codec CIA it's.
And and really nice prosumer cameras like this one they'll let me do all sorts of video.
I I think you're onto something when you start the show about content creation you know these these are all apple told that I used to.
Both upload photos and process them and upload and process video so and I and I think that there's gotta be an out.
And I think about the tablet there.
What -- when.
What I've heard from a source inside Apple's told me -- -- 30.
I movie is gonna get a major update and so we start to show do you think we're gonna ask you start to show 30 with -- life right off the bat.
And you know the trickle down effect we're gonna show you what's not the most exciting thing necessarily.
Historically this is around the time -- refresh rate.
Yeah and you said what was your your particularly the source that you -- he said.
-- life iPhone -- for -- and tablet right in May write it makes a lot of sense to move through.
Those products they talk about how they all come together in this -- how -- But but don't you think that this this can be so much to talk about with this device that they're going to want to EI didn't see if we say that all those things -- front loaded and then.
This is not a one more thing this is neat -- But I don't.
I own lunch when he didn't unveil a bunch of pronouncements he couldn't wait to get through and -- usually round.
Yeah -- -- -- yeah.
This again and come you don't really wanna talk how -- was -- that announcement yeah he couldn't -- to remember you were showing how it was -- awkward moment to watch the apple TV announcement he's like here's what a song looks like when it's played -- you have you know that that screen comes out -- -- has a picture the album art.
Many waited like 22 still went and flipped.
So we got to see -- I think look I think this is going to be different I kinda keynote I think he's gonna wrap up the whole experience from your iPhone.
Too that slate to the apple TV.
Take content creation I think it all plays together and that's going to be the story it's not going to be just one device.
I think Robert reality -- experiences or and it didn't want to give your reasons I iphone's body -- my apple TC five tablet.
How all of this stuff comes together through the magic of -- uncle -- -- Hello this is not an enthusiast and I got -- -- thousand people were fifty million people I gotta tell you just from like a present -- standpoint and I sort of made my life in communications and getting up in front of a lot of people on a regular basis -- I'm not just going to be watching this presentation from what hardware is announcing how they -- I wanna see how he pulls off.
This presentation -- entire books have been written around.
The way in which Steve Jobs -- but this is going to have to be a masterful performance I can't wait to see how this is all pulled together from mr.
-- communication standpoint until they're offering personal angle I -- -- -- as Steve Steve very well.
-- and he he told me that Steve with a lot closer to doubt that anybody realizes that you know back a year ago -- have to go.
Is this his last project is this -- this is a project he's worked on for years -- -- -- is my brother in law worked at apple and I knew that a tablet was coming for 234 years.
Is this going to be his legacy is is this going to be his last major project that'll be a subtext to this whole story -- I think -- started pretty much established that.
Back -- helping me out.
It's very confident he's about how happy -- -- honestly are about you know you have to think you've been hearing this -- argument is this product becoming.
We have we went back Easter Easter or tablet rumors -- yet.
Tablet rumors in 2004.
And again and they don't draw every year I -- -- so want ability changing more in the.
-- -- or you can take this back -- 2001.
We first I want rumors.
-- -- -- -- -- Our quiz runaway obesity say hey here's my ten at a faster powerbook and that -- come -- -- I.
You know -- apple as warned me it in the past that there's not a big announcement coming and they you don't have to come to this one.
They have not done that any professional journalists they are pouring on the -- and I think that means that they're gonna deliver yeah.
Kind of -- and who they target with this particular event the iBook released.
Really fascinated by the last some iPod Touch announcement because it was so clearly aimed at gaining a it was like.
I never seen -- you know you just like.
Take it off the gloves.
Who we've beat the PSP and and it actually took a moment or -- for -- to -- -- oh my god it's now officially gaming device.
And I'm just wondering.
But they go after with a tablet is it going to be a moment during this speech where is Steve Jobs positions it up against acts and what is that we'll sell it and network.
You may rest my case yes clean your tonight if you take steady job Microsoft has -- secret weapon in the final out of that I haven't -- -- and that's Xbox Live.
-- if Microsoft would come out with a mobile device that puts an Xbox Live and delivers a really nice.
Gaming experience that that plays off your home -- Xbox system.
That would get eat hot and bothered about Microsoft mobile again.
A good -- gonna.
When you telecommunications count yeah and -- brought in the beginning of all that's when he finally showed up to Chautauqua.
Oh (%expletive) that's that is tablet could be -- -- product and I'm I think that it would definitely failure but there have been some challenges and if you look at gaming for the content of particular.
They have a lot of trouble when he tried did retreat was essentially a third device -- -- people very satisfied.
We -- -- -- inside home console think about it Apple Computer right.
Thank you very satisfied with the hand held that ten years ago as the game -- And they try to -- and intended yes and position as a third pillar that was going to -- -- here's -- third device bananas could figure out.
Where we were supposed to put that third -- we had a thing that we -- when we're on ago we had that thing that we need your home from Nintendo.
So where was the third thing for us because of low and behold it became -- -- way that yes fund in new thing.
That was on the go to the iPhone occupies one dollars and if you're Apple Computer -- the other I don't understand.
How that businessmen.
Well apple has one thing going for them which has leverage they can you know just -- the iPod Touch -- all the developer activity for the iPhone.
You know this is not starting.
Completely -- feel they can continue to leverage that developer attention.
And also we're here that are gonna leverage the actual application right there's a possibility that -- device will be able to run.
Okay catalog of iPhone apps that we you're starting not expect plus the identity that's a great line.
-- that question that Democrats one killer there's not want to me.
-- the only thing that I can think of at this point that is if they pull it off the right way things that -- about when I first sat down -- his creation of the creation of content immediately you're stuck you're making your -- in this business I don't know how broad market that is -- you mentioned -- idea but.
If somebody yeah.
Remember that most people don't create constantly concerned consonant -- -- home consumers and that one of -- John Kerry -- that I can look at that go to like -- -- -- -- -- -- digital cameras that are going on everybody wants to show those photos and videos with each other and -- doesn't -- want to -- elitist -- How what did you -- I think although that's left content and I'm very nice experience to show.
You know social photos and and control your TV does FaceBook show us that we wall we want to all be creators what did you think apple is always appealed to be creative and everyone and you look at those ads that -- over used to -- and all.
On a -- outlets have been focused on.
You are special person you're creative person you can hear that fits right the unique person you are yeah don't want -- extent that.
Thinking to a device that is about.
That letting that person come out and create what they want do what they want any increase in that space.
I'm the first person -- I really desire something I can create I love to draw on a tablet doing it for years but I also understand.
That most people for example can't -- Okay so the experience of content creation.
It's of limited I'd like I've seen people -- hand and stuff and -- you haven't something in drawn.
-- -- do for a little while and then they lose interest so I think that that has it does potentially.
It's a little limiting and it ends up being a little -- -- I think the gaming side obviously is potentially the biggest win for them if they can get it right.
I think what we're here what we're seeing is that.
Is -- that this is not gonna be it's one thing just like the iPhone whether this one accidentally skipped the aggregate all of these little bits and -- the question is the execution right.
If they pull off the execution and waited so.
People are gonna want this device but it the price point and we -- -- -- Don't Joshua that he can't go into multi function discussion -- -- have to be a couple of things and now this consumers lose interest very quickly.
The best draws every Rossi has.
Recently I I think there was a time you know with the iPod where where Michael is absolutely right -- -- had to grow that platform and I think at this point.
With the experience of the iPod Touch and the iPhone.
Consumers understand -- it does -- come out applications and like we talked about -- -- you know what I heard was -- iPhone for -- software would be -- we wouldn't -- hardware yet and that's not the point of this announcement that the software is so tied -- and there's so -- sub -- within this kernels are tied together within -- the apple -- -- that.
-- iPhone -- in the applications the ability.
This apple cattle will be running a mobile OS to be able to pop over those applications pretty quickly pretty easily but just again you set of API -- -- -- they don't run the mobile alas unless they run a variant -- OSX and -- -- in the -- that.
Eight it seems unlikely but it's certainly a possibility you and I talked earlier like we don't know what's inside this thing we don't know what the -- is we don't want -- with the graphics power is.
We so we don't really know what the marriage is going to be and the hardware and software underneath and we've we've had all make lots of assumptions.
I get this feeling that we're gonna walk into that we're only gonna walk out and all assumptions will be blown away.
Never I don't iPhone -- -- here iPhoto less.
-- I don't know I hit I was just thinking about textbooks and one of my friends and apple told me don't look at the court CPI's which are largely text Italy APIs.
He said they haven't really been used up to now but they're gonna be heavily used in this new device.
So think about it a textbook for a kid I kid are often eat the right chemical molecules I remember back to my chemical.
Clap my chemistry class -- had -- right.
Chemical molecules and equations right which are not are very easy to do with a touch that with a key.
Yeah with -- that this is.
I mean that textbook angle and you would like about as well.
And actually the reason for the stylus right there yeah say you know what we know kids -- gonna do this work without.
A way to right so we gave the stylus is great the past stylus and he -- he also says he got my first.
Stylish trying the Chinese people need a -- they these that the language that they do needs are really good.
Way to draw on the screen so there might be a stylus that that that'll be really -- to see if it appears.
I think I just really great and as I do you think it's still possible for Steve Jobs to say.
Remember when I made fun of the stylus went back started looking how we actually make this thing usable and then they got this great new idea -- -- -- all the time yes it's like well I don't.
-- they can simply say that the stylus is an appropriate for the phone but it's appropriate for the tablet yeah.
One thing I know it's easy enough from -- but I think that is fired everybody that -- -- -- Or iPhone OS it's something you that's really a hybrid of both of these things but it's optimize -- -- -- -- Multitask absolutely fantastic and I got one and I'm glad I mean how can have a credible -- somebody else on the ethanol are pushing him off -- my -- he had had absolutely need flexibility spot for.
Padilla that's the only thing you really want.
Where you I'm.
Yeah that's going away YouTube announced html five last night he's our best yeah and then their -- you heard the fire fox and I think I would love to see -- -- black video standard be adopted because I think that Plaxico on no -- it's far too.
-- -- I have -- processor for so let's just go around the corner -- two minutes left -- final prediction.
Any any final prediction -- think you're gonna see.
But there's -- get your device.
-- -- color screen via a touch screen.
My religion I this you know.
Whatever apple does its I think that we don't.
We're gonna leave feeling good.
It's done one way or another either gonna say wow I can't we left all the stuff out here or they're gonna everything we can't believe they act.
At all the stuff and they are I think it is -- is -- get out there isn't -- failed who lands period.
Thank you to help it.
-- I am I am 99.9 percent sure they'll be a tablet.
Everything is pretty much up in the -- -- -- -- -- Ross I think you have to be tied to some key tasks -- enabling them in ways that haven't been done before my bets -- on education and video education video -- I think we'll see gaming actually part of it it'll be to be companies write an amateur developers are going to be pushing it.
But I just remember I remained skeptical in terms of power they can convince people that already have an iPhone already have a computer.
That they need and third devices -- -- -- are doing is.
I'll tell you I think all the predictions cedar community absolutely correct and absolutely wrong yeah yeah.
Yeah yeah -- You water got in typical apple fashion and all those mock ups and I wanna see if Steve comes out what you do the iPhone -- throes of on the screen he says here it is and here's the photo and it was that weird hybrid photo with the dialer on -- I think introduces the -- yeah.
That that they -- every carrier.
Adding that the device that I'm thinking they need to kind of made it something that sort of functionality -- -- -- hey you're honest and don't -- Robin and we jumped on -- and Robert your prediction what are we gonna see on Wednesday.
We did see -- something to the classrooms something for the vaccine that car and something for the couch all wrapped together that explains the whole apple ecosystem while some have -- Combat that right reaganite I usually read -- -- -- I think yeah -- Oslo.
Yeah that I need to be putting out video if he's gonna -- I'm gonna announce a twenty.
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Wednesday of course the big announcement we'll see and and next Friday we are gonna have a big show obviously -- after the big announcement next Friday as well.
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Thank you thank you thank you thank you.
Michael Greenburg thank you as always great seeing you.
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