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Bob Costas welcome to -- of the judge -- are you thanks so much for joining us fans really -- -- thank you.
The approach first off.
I want to bring you to something that happened in the news is a mistake that Bob Costas would never make let's listen to Martha Coakley on the radio.
Lee if it weren't so close Rudy Giuliani when a company there and besides he's a Yankee fan -- -- is let people know.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Another Yankee fan.
Sure yes Curt Schilling Yankee film no I'm right I'm -- and Mike Bloomberg talks great pitcher of the bloody sock well he's not there anymore.
Bob Costas is -- safe to say you would never make that mistake.
Possibly doubt -- a true there are many things she knows about that I don't chuckle.
Right is something about sports when you mess up sports for example Bruce Blake -- yesterday say good luck giants.
In New York is he says I wanna be a candidate for senator it is something if you mess up sports I mean that can really urge your forever.
Well you know what what generally is the case not that -- that's important sometimes.
Sports stories rise the level of of new -- not that often but.
Your audience is generally speaking more knowledgeable about these topics because they follow them and have a grasp of the history of that.
It's likely that huge numbers of baseball fans.
Know more about what happened in the 1950s in baseball and they do about the Eisenhower Truman administration's.
What most on the topic turns to news.
That I don't mean -- about sports fans in general I mean people watching the news probably do not have as greater grasp of world issues.
As people watching.
A -- have generally speaking of the less important sports issues what sports facts.
Or history just -- of the way it is and if you messed something up which we all do at least occasionally.
Somebody's gonna -- on.
Bob Costas is -- Bob for the past thirteen years has said there with Fox News the one thing the one time I can guarantee you win news who went sports becomes news is when steroid issue pops up a hat.
All the time and and I think did with the many people in the news or more passion about then maybe the fans -- particular we covered that 1998 home run race.
Wouldn't be huge passion followed around Mark McGwire is he broke the record -- ended up we know -- seventy home runs.
Now -- you sat down for an hour with Mark McGwire and he did something we all thought was coming we just -- no win.
Emitted yes he used airports.
How did you approach the interview -- you get the interview.
Well I got the interview because -- I guess Mark McGwire and other people with the cardinals.
Had -- -- through the years they didn't necessarily think it would be a friendly interview but they knew that it would be.
-- -- Interview and a credible and have you.
In that sense.
Arm and it was also important that we have a period of time -- it wouldn't be sound -- Situation I think had -- the -- HBO and the interview would take place at HBO some people wrongly.
Jumped on the connection with MLB network.
And looked at it like well MLB network is an arm of Major League Baseball so.
This must be kind of something where MLB is complicit in whatever spin.
Marc -- put on the story that was 100% not true no one from -- spoke to me at all no one from mark to camp.
Laid out any parameters -- made any suggestions about questioning.
Who has watched -- -- net from its inception a year ago.
Or who saw the commentary -- nutrient Ken Rosenthal and others immediately after.
The interview no one could think.
That anybody there had received some kind of -- -- that's let's pull punches on this I think it was simply a matter of where can we get a -- tough but fair ride which would appear credible.
To the viewing public and where -- we have enough time.
That it won't be a series of sound -- -- having said that.
How mark chose to deal with the questions and whether he put all the questions to rest or raised others that the different issues.
Right -- -- to me -- watch it again last night.
It seemed to me that -- somewhat surprised that he claimed I did steroids but I did it just to get over injuries.
It didn't help me hit home runs in India asked the question a few different times and he just never came off of that that might -- changed.
That might change down the line were you surprised to get that question to get that answer to your question.
I was very surprised.
The interview was -- there was no conversation beforehand other than you know hello how -- sit down.
Do it I have read the statement which the issue for hours earlier I got my hands on exactly the same time as the -- -- and everybody else did -- obviously.
Inserting the interview -- I figured he had to be prepared to address these issues and would acknowledge.
Steroid use to some extent.
I didn't know exactly what he would say but it's certainly did not make any sense to me.
That he would acknowledge steroid use but then say I just use it to stay on the field and I got no performance enhancement from when he said that.
It changed some of the direction of the interview you can have an idea in your head I'm -- proceed at least in theory from eight -- -- -- this way.
But -- at point B he veers off in that direction.
Then you have to pursue -- somebody told me that I came back to it a half a dozen different times.
And I was trying to -- -- but I was trying to as politely as possible.
Because he was seemingly kind of fragile and in an emotional state -- I think that was entirely genuine some people cynical and say.
Other that was an act on his part Laurence Olivier can't cry uncle couldn't cry on cue.
That way I think I've known him for awhile.
I know his emotion and that's situation was genuine it's contrition.
At least in his own mind and heart is genuine if you change he feels humiliated.
But the problem is based on his explanation.
It's still much clearer Foley's -- exactly what he should be ashamed or apologetic -- -- Since he won't make the obvious links.
Between taking the steroids and and his performance so when he said that you know I was I was I was more than surprised I was I was taken aback.
But no matter how many different facts presented -- no matter how many different ways the question was framed.
He never move -- position.
It seems like he worked very hard Adori Fleischer on a message and -- -- with communications people on how to stop the questions.
And I think that was one way you might have it threw me when I read it because I didn't see right away.
And then when I -- back I was saying wait a second he's only going half way it's almost like a -- saying I've me in my causing Yury.
Shot up steroids we really know what we were don't yeah and we don't believe that -- second why did you come halfway to me.
I think fundamentally this is just my amateur psychologists I think he's a really good person these are hard worker and I think he had a hard time.
Leveling with himself on what he did he clearly cheated -- There's just no way about it.
The -- he doesn't see it that way in one respect and the other respect as he picked up the phone and called mrs.
Maris and said I apologize.
Yeah that's one question I wish that I had passed.
You know -- situation with.
With a number of things happening including -- kind of book curveball -- does something that no one would've expected which was about to deny the linkage and and you start pursuing that.
They're always a few things.
That you could say well I -- Estes sure that's a good question and I missed.
And and one question -- I which I -- was okay.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- But if in fact.
The only benefit you got from steroids.
In your own mind was that it allowed you to do with you otherwise would have been able to do I'd even healthy.
-- you didn't break the record fraudulently.
So what -- you apologizing to them for promoting use shall ripped up.
About -- and as you know Brian I've I've been on the the issue of steroids -- longer than most broadcasters.
Have I think all of us wish.
That we had a handle on earlier than we did but I'd been on it for at least a decade and so.
I'm not buying this explanation at all.
You know Mark McGwire hit -- -- once every eight times at bat over four years panel while he was on steroids that is in a halt same rate.
Or an all time great rate.
That's a super human video game rate.
Sammy Sosa Barry Bonds Mark McGwire others -- -- didn't just make history they distorted.
The connection is and -- It and tangential that the correction the connection between steroid use a Mac kind of almost cartoonish.
-- -- -- It's obvious it's undeniable.
-- -- -- didn't just receive a benefit from using steroids in terms of performance he received a tremendous.
Benefits and to the extent that he can't get his arms around that -- -- to agree with you I don't think he's consciously lying.
I think he's in some kind of denial about that.
He is if he comes to terms with that and basically he's saying what is it that my career amounted to but.
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