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On the campaign is Ben well the man that Americans come to know was Joe looked -- his real name is Samuel gel.
-- -- blocker and he has become the new symbol of the McCain campaigns fight for every day Americans.
And I am not before.
On behalf of Joe the plumber and rose a teacher and build a brick layer in windy the waitress and all small business people around America.
-- -- This may well play.
In the hot head and Combs that come -- all of -- okay it was a job as Dallas Marcia and cannot he's given the target of the Obama Biden campaign as well.
He's trying to suggest bed bed bed.
A plumber if the guy he's fighting form.
You know making a quarter million dollars a year.
John continues to cling to the notion.
Given the fact this guy Joe the Plummer pat on the -- plumbers and my -- to make 250000.
Dollars you're worried.
All right Joe the plumber joins us interesting it's actually Samuel.
I you know well first of all you have never seen that before no no I was first -- with.
But what do you what do you when you hear it personal made me -- for even as the crowd laughing I think there's a big joke.
You know here here's -- parents 121416.
Hours today and by the way -- a lot of using construction.
Ask Alec -- he made fun of me.
But they don't you -- your ranch.
You're installing toilets and showers and plumbing and heating in making people's lives better you service and people are and every dollar you get -- and to be laughed I didn't think that was funny.
No I don't think Israel funny him you know he's just trying to take kind of you know -- All the issues and he just wants to you know take.
Attention off issues and kind of play with me -- that way he has have to explain anything.
For the -- for the record you play football -- the -- you do go to Obama rally he walked down your street yes Vegas is from there what happened.
I'm just man like you said toss a football Muslim -- walking on the street.
I'm sorry you guys can't -- they were going back and forth and he's getting closer and closer and -- actually irritated me and we'll talk to her bed and I want to fossil both my son bring us some that we I don't want to talk to -- a lot of nice seated.
You get paid well to do -- just.
-- -- and I it's.
So you know short story as they arrest and easy questions and -- Johnson you know everybody in America thinks mantra I get this guy from I'd really you know ask our question.
I have the chance and they feel my question wasn't that hard to focus just he shot himself as well on foot with what -- answer right.
Here's this because this is now we have Joe Biden say it's -- the Saints are patriotic duty to pay more taxes he's saying to he said he used in this residence this is resonating.
Spread the wealth.
There even people courted the Obama clerical worker pay taxes it'll get money back yes and he say the word welfare some of the said while that's that's actually racist actually came out this -- -- Here's my question to you.
Why is in your words -- I thought you articulated is better than many politicians.
Why do you view this is socialism because that's a word you used.
Well just because you know when you work hard on me all your life you're here you're says you know work hard you'll make something of yourself.
You know I agro -- you know I actually been on welfare -- my parents you know.
Couple different times and we you know.
Work Carter got off of it and then you know they actually did fairly well in fairly well you know I'm not talking -- thousand dollars here fairly well just talking fairly well for us.
You -- So when someone tells me that if you work hard.
That you were going to take much more away from him what what's the purpose of working hard.
Do you safety should be defining moment because I actually believe that it is a defining moment in the campaign could be -- they -- Barack Obama's promise to spend a trillion dollars more.
In tax when it means your tax dollars out there trillion dollars more.
Barack Obama says going to raise capital gains tax put a windfall profits tax on companies raise tax rates eliminate the bush tax cuts and.
And raise a series of other taxes and debt tax among them.
That's socialism that is redistribution of wealth that's why do you think that's -- why would that be bad field you're gonna try and get this business viewers.
There's no reason to guard down work hard there's no more you know I mean he's -- mediocrity and America's what he's doing less to do know that I mean people you know.
At one point time they wanted to handle maybe but they announced a handout here you're you're telling people stay home I want to take care -- -- and other people -- work out.
Or their dismay I currently let me just thank you want to help okay and -- the in the our -- -- my that's what we were undecided voter -- when you met Barack Obama.
No no I was not an undecided because they knew it was presented that way and get I think a lot of people I don't think similarly.
As comments that you may have felt a told of I would direct did you personally as much as people like -- so we're genuine genuine issues.
With a McCain campaign image McCain's policies now I do you think that Joe Biden John McCain were personally attacking him.
As involved Joe Biden of Barack Obama.
What I self righteous and right behind you help me with a question and you blow Joe -- I mean he's an awful mocking way you know I don't know -- -- you know and I had that do kind of take that a little personal on the United didn't -- have made 250000 dollars saying I think he's making more -- -- but it -- have an idea was about this idea that if you're making less than that.
You're gonna actually save money under Barack Obama's tax policy you would be paying more.
Well you know.
The thought about that -- was hoping you might ask someone had been honest with the -- you know I don't think it's rights two.
You know it's you know there's principles involved I don't want to make -- I have my taxes -- if that means somebody that who worked -- had a better -- -- I did and take his money I don't want this month actually don't want a tax -- I don't want someone else's money worked hard for -- -- -- John McCain have tax -- chili's for some people for middle class Americans it would be just Barack Obama analysis that I mean involved.
You know are either one of them going to do -- it's I want to address this issue of socialism -- you raise issues socialism want to play a little tape here of whether various candidates have said.
About then the whole issue of socialism mistake.
The key to Barack Obama's tax plan since he can't reduce taxes on those who pays zero.
He wants the government to send them the jet that's called the tax credit.
I want to give it every American family of 5000 dollar refundable tax credit for.
Glover and it ended -- man I don't -- -- -- being hit it sounds more like socialism.
Plan now there is no it's time to experiment with socialism.
And -- this surveillance -- 1200 dollars every resident Alaska to be with us socialism and John McCain.
Would give wasn't there you'll want to have -- my pets that he's got no money is his name.
It's every year Alaska to get to tell that I know garner on the way shoe is made polenta happily -- now I'm defending my regimen.
Forgive me for being you know level of the fact of the matter is that.
That you know if one could say socialism Madonna came with -- -- mortgages is that socialism.
Honestly had don't know enough that I actually answer renteria who question intelligently but at the same time I mean as far as Canada's oil money I mean that's not socialism that's his reward the people the -- right -- I -- the -- the -- the first couple years I was.
You know what you have to receive download you -- one point but you have your resident new page has a mean.
You know of food more expensive up there and -- as we trucked in there there's a lot of things so socialists know as far as some.
Well here's here's a question back area.
One of the people insane 95% of Americans and one of -- Americans don't pay ten things I think represent a working family like well okay before going to break when we come back we'll talk about the vicious.
Vicious personal attacks against -- real -- they support vicious circle decorated deck against you personally but well we saw it may not surprisingly these edited sound like not immediately obvious.
I -- you're talking about actually you know.
-- I -- 95% of working 995% of American we'll be back.
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