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Okay -- tide gates begins again let's start though with the oil spill.
And where we are with this there were some revelations today about BP.
And the interaction between.
The oil company and the administration.
Bill is this a growing storyline that is a problem for the administration do you think that this part of it is is a big deal.
I can't tell and you know every.
Company -- every administration and a million different levels and some companies get a waiver for something and as they did and that -- and that was full and that waiver could often be perfectly sensible and in the night in and out of hundred cases there's no consequence of the way I don't know if there's anything and of course if you.
Give away for an and that's a question of weeks later it's looks a little different -- -- -- honestly -- think -- narratives -- help when it plays into a preexisting sense so.
If this -- a pro oil pro business.
I think you'll be you know we were damaging if they read it and -- -- what you X or executives getting the waivers to -- companies have -- one thing.
Probably you know rightly or wrongly percent for the Obama administration is that they're not that friendly to these kinds of companies.
And therefore they probably have a little more -- let's say in in people not jumping to the inclusion of people weren't acting with -- decent.
Motives and rumors that there's a media double standard.
If it were Dick Cheney may be all over this story will be -- headline.
Yeah -- present Obama as a candidate took the top recipient of BP campaign donations.
There would be a lot of comfort coverage of this well where would be all over the place and will be Cheney would be the one who actually.
Would have ordered the waiver and then they'd be on these goods conspiracy stories.
That's the way its played and I think it's right if there's an earlier narrative in which it fits it becomes a big story -- was a lot.
But the big story of -- I think on the on the wind in the gut and the and the gulf stream.
That's gonna determine how -- historians -- -- -- it is.
If it is is catastrophic as it might be if they can't -- they have done one capital to put three leaks.
But the two larger ones are waiting to be tapped if that doesn't succeed and we're getting 60000 or so.
Battles released every day which could -- the whole.
Gulf Coast and could sweep around Florida if it's carried by the gulfstream.
Tell me catastrophe on -- and then it won't all these small stories -- rulings won't matter the administration.
Gets blamed of something terrible happens and it doesn't have we escaped so I think -- you can depend on the -- more than anything else.
-- and the response I mean you know that the president needs to continue to show that this is a big deal.
Not going to.
Quote -- vice president but.
You know if it is a big deal and and the president is gonna have to continue not just today not just tomorrow but as.
The environmental impacts are really known the administration's gonna have to show that they are really taking this seriously and I think that will be.
What Obama is judged on not necessarily his relationship with BP vis a -- donations contribution with senator Sam -- -- for.
-- -- -- instead accuses BP stands for Barack's partner.
Jeff says I think it's slightly amusing that disaster is from BP who bombard the public would -- Ads that drive me up the walls so we have some.
People who think -- -- -- so and I have some sympathy.
Her -- any administration there isn't anything we have been.
The federal government has in its power that can actually.
Stop this stuff it can cap the well and we don't have technology have you ever heard of a great -- that was.
Corralled and and and and the shoreline protected and and -- off it doesn't happen because it can't be done.
So it's I think it's rather have a bit unlike in other natural disasters we can do -- on iTunes -- you can you know behind this whole -- thing and if they got these booms out to that.
Site and they managed to corral -- what they could.
That they could burn off so many thousands of gallons in that it would have been less.
At the beginning in the early stages and there are several reports in the right but I think if you look illumination of the room.
You look at how much stuff is coming out.
It would be a marginal impact advanced I mean if you're getting.
Barrels a day you can hold the -- the booms it.
In the United States I mean I think he yes she could probably have small areas -- -- Corralled off but historically -- don't -- any case of a massive spill that's been contained in that way.
They'll just -- were found on the politics of it which -- a little bit against that -- necessarily mean that.
It's of the corporate villains of the last two weeks who cope with Saxon.
BP both democratic.
Leading companies VP of famously green beyond petroleum big Obama contributor oil company.
Goldman Sachs you know very democratic governor we're the largest contributor to democratic hands and their -- was the largest contributor.
The democratic democratic candidates.
In the last cycle.
And -- -- interest income I don't -- that Republicans are viewed as the party big business and of the interest thing if Republicans.
Could go in more populist direction over the next year to.
And be the party of small business and tried to make Obama administration both the party of big government.
And big business I think on the -- on the policy merits there's some truth to that case and Sally.
Politically it's it's a pretty big push for the Republican Party -- so.
This advertising demonized.
Perceived in any case.
As a sort of friendly to big business party but I'm if you could make the democrats' political matter political strategy the party of both big government and big business and sort of a corporate this relation of the two.
That would be an effective place to be politically in this next couple of election cycles Richard.
In Ohio -- asks are we looking at four dollar five dollar gas and I think he means extrapolating out if the administration reverses the offshore drilling.
Thought that they're gonna move forward with it and it's cut off completely.
Richard asks are we going to see gas shoot down.
You know I really don't know the answer to that I'm not sure this particular disaster or you know any policies.
That follow are going to change the price of gas hitting you know the larger issue is what our relationship is with you know.
Foreign countries and and and more broadly and how we go forward in terms of domestic oil production and foreign oil production.
Look gas prices go up every year did about this -- in fact.
There are some people who suggest that the Obama administration and its heart of hearts really wants gas prices to go up high so that.
That there is a force forced off of these suvs and big vehicles and -- there are folks out there that's.
-- hard time believing that because it is it's such a good political weapon and whoever is in charge.
It happened the Bush Administration when when bush was in charge the Democrats.
When after him for high gas prices they think -- his bad energy policies he cause -- gas prices.
Whoever's in charge gets blamed for the gas prices it doesn't matter what they're doing or what their policies are whoever it is they're gonna get -- cells.
I'm not sure that is gonna have any effect in raising prices and the reason is.
That the steps the administration had taken to loosen up the restrictions on offshore drilling was so small so minor and also.
Would not begin to produce anything for about a decade fact that pull some back.
Pulls some leases that racket is that also took so it isn't as if the market was looking -- a flood of American oil and -- -- -- -- which would have an effect this would be a trickle in ten meters.
So even and Boston was not gonna have an effect.
If it would do cars and shut down of existing production -- of pricing should know but that's not gonna happen.
I think where we are -- -- where we were a year or two ago ten years ago we shut down the Arctic and we shut down the Pacific coast.
And the and essentially these guys has its all we have is the -- and -- remain stable.
So of the prices will depend on how much of the saudis are pumping and how much -- world consumption you have if there's a recession.
Price will drop -- the economy of the world is recovering as it is in the Chinese and the Indians are swallowing a huge amount.
From oil prices are gonna go up -- and go.
Significantly and and they're -- hit that that mark but not because of any effect on American production.
Mike from Pennsylvania says about your comment.
That they couldn't -- done anything.
Come on Charles are you telling me the feds can't mobilize FEMA and the EPA in the early days.
But the early days -- wouldn't have stopped the leak I mean delete if the leak.
Is he still there you blown three holes and they're they're spewing out all -- oil.
You might have contained small amounts and the day or two or three but if it's.
If it's a gusher and it's under the sea and we don't have any good technology to burn it off.
And -- around in large amounts.
It would have had I think a marginal effect.
We don't often do this -- want to play a piece that we didn't get into this show.
Tonight as efforts to control -- still continue the impact obviously on tourism is being felt all around the gulf -- -- correspondent Steve Harrigan.
Is in Pensacola Florida where he talks to a nervous bride.
Was wearing a lot more than just showing up for her beach -- The oil slick was supposed to hit Florida's coast Monday then Tuesday now Friday.
But even without a drop of oil on -- the damage is already being done to the economy.
Charter boats dive shops and hotels are reporting cancellations and up to 75%.
Will get married in front of the -- at sunset.
Analysts -- was planning on getting married on the beach this Saturday.
Not only do I worry about whether they'll be oil on the beach but if there -- -- oil and I can smell oil in my guests can smell oil that albeit very.
Pleasant place to hold the weddings.
The stakes for her wedding planner are even higher in all reality if this comes in here.
We should virtually be shut down.
Almost every job along Florida's panhandle is linked in some way to the water.
And from top to bottom there is fear.
Have steadily as my governor you know in first place is about people here kind of rely on the summertime just to get get through the winner meant so.
And I and he didn't pay ten dollars an hour cleanup -- gonna get -- doing here.
Eighties -- fear of something that's hard to see or believe in on a perfect beach day.
That instead of setting up umbrellas here a young man could soon be shoveling oil.
In Pensacola Florida Steve Harrigan Fox News.
Love scenes pieces we could get in the show and I sort of fancy here.
I there's a great job telling those stories it is a potential huge impact for all kinds of industries Charles tell -- have a economist befriended the would.
BP is doing.
Is it's very quietly hiring many many of the people who are being impacted on the Gulf Coast.
Fishermen and others who went out of a job hiring -- BP aside BP is tiring as a way to leave -- To prevent the backlash.
From being huge.
And trying to get them working on -- I suppose preventative measures today and perhaps a clean up by tomorrow but I mean if -- corporate executive and you're thinking of the PR strategy.
You'd want to have a you know instead of thousands of people marching in shouting and screaming about how their loved his job and I've been destroyed.
To employ them and have them in some ways independent and grateful but at least they're not antagonistic the way they would be otherwise.
We return topics here a lot of people are typing and the floods in Tennessee and all the damage there.
I mean there's a lot of things on this White House played in this president's -- bill but when you have people saying that we're not getting attention on -- major disaster like these floods.
What about that.
Decisions you've become what can pull together right both for the storm a Assam state -- -- what -- -- -- -- that makes it shouldn't possess.
Whenever that expression words -- more funds I think is a promising more people died now from the funding.
Then died action over explosion has no right I think I think people -- -- -- the -- -- -- Tennessee south.
Together let -- than the white castle what announces -- -- -- Either by -- early next week and we've got all these other issues -- on immigration and out terror attack in New York.
A lot to -- with a -- and I think these things come together funny ways you know the Bush Administration that and then nightmarish -- two months.
Was Katrina is what one remembers the most but there's also Dubai ports that this should fitness -- -- on the hill and Harriet Miers nomination.
That was sort of this and Social Security reform falling apart that all happened in sort of August September of 05 and they never covered the Bush Administration.
Looked like -- reasonably strong second term administration -- -- 2005 and by October 2005.
There's really I don't think we're quite there Obama's -- taken.
-- -- and I don't know that any visas as dramatic as this you know failed Supreme Court nomination.
-- torpedoed by your own supporters.
Or Katrina but still lead these things to come together funny ways if you have a sense that Iran's getting nuclear weapons the administration's not a very good -- to environmental disasters and we're susceptible to a terror attack and let's say the economy starts to slow down a little bit the recovery.
All happening at once they can add up -- you know -- with general impression of an administration that's.
It has lost control and and isn't being affected -- Policies Tina from California says floods in Tennessee don't fit into the agenda.
Aaron there's a lot of people typing in about the immigration issue we always get this.
And insisting part of it was the the Arizona.
Basketball team -- choosing to put on there jerseys Lopes sons.
The Phoenix Suns.
Making a statement against.
The the Arizona law.
Couple of -- and municipalities have filed a lawsuit says would bring in James Rosen to join our conversation opponents he.
This is an active set we've moved chairs -- pat Ford director -- if -- voting.
Now valujet's now back here if we care about America.
Three -- Redskins you know.
So immigration and the issue about Arizona the present just mentioned at the Cinco De Mayo a celebration a rose garden what do you think this is headed.
Politically it costs -- Putting lesson that thought it had legs but now I think it may have more -- I mean obviously we knew they -- gonna be constitutional challenges that's not a surprise I think there will be more challenges.
You know clearly this is -- citing both sides.
The question I have is what does this mean for the broader issue of immigration reform comprehensive immigration reform I -- going anywhere.
In the Senate this year clearly there any Republicans want to sign on -- frankly I don't think the -- Lincoln's of the world of Ben Nelson the the world -- moderates want to touch it.
But -- Arizona law is going to continue to be part of the conversation and you know I think the administration's gonna have to get.
A handle on the message and decide how they want to approach -- are they is DOJ going to challenge it.
And then what does this mean for the November elections we talked about this last week that Charles -- in the stinks in the short term this tells Republicans.
I disagreed with him then.
I'm kind of rethinking this I'm not so sure if if Democrats can keep a hold of decision had -- translate into something positive for the November.
Charles is very powerful keys -- out for me and he.
-- -- okay yeah.
And early evening in general my wisdom -- in slow -- I'm not a lawyer who fail.
-- I've been here.
The presence of this is talking about it like he has and is talking about a lot and he has.
Still because he has to move pieces left and also he's made -- I'll try to -- a few weeks ago to his old constituency of the one that he says elected in which his young people African Americans.
Latinos and women I mean that's his.
How he sees the basic of the base he's appealing to so I think he has to respond.
But I think they read the polls you know Arizona 70%.
In favor of the law.
Nationwide 60% of those are real numbers obviously hit it.
Applying it in different states can have a different effect I think in Nevada Harry Reid thinks that opposing the -- and and and being ostentatious about -- and help them and perhaps it will but nationwide overall if you're looking to maintain a majority in congress.
Eight I think it hurts him that Democrats in this year I think in the long run it will hurt Republican.
Ira from California and not prompted says tell James great piece on Kent State.
Posted online Fox News accounts such Special Report and you can see this piece James Telus -- -- from per hour should anybody you know words thanks.
That's not -- Tell me about the story that can -- well this merger.
-- this grew out of research for the book I worked on for seventeen years I'm ashamed to say a biography of attorney general John Mitchell was attorney general -- Kent State.
More than we don't have the book averaging just.
Say that again from the and -- who was attorney general the time at Kent State.
I wasn't able to get this stuff into the book I think it -- strong and it is you lie he lost -- And they probably get over the phone for about three and a half dollars.
A common and I toyed with the idea.
Of writing a short book about Kent State -- in time for this anniversary but it would like intervened.
Instead I wrote an article was published in The Washington Times you can link to it from foxnews.com.
What I did was I went through hundreds of previously unpublished FBI document this is the video from from that day may the fourth 1970.
What people and of course we have to say that as we mark the fortieth anniversary of this tragedy and you saw one of the slain right there.
Our thoughts are with their families but it purely as a matter of investigative scholarship.
I think I uncovered what I thought to be some fascinating things in the in the FBI documents that had never been published.
One question has always been was the National Guard which is deployed on the campus to quell escalating anti war protest slash riots that have grown for three days prior to may fourth 1970.
Was the National Guard itself fired upon.
By a sniper in the crowd or somebody.
Prior to their unleashing of those infamous 67 shots in thirteen seconds that killed four people before dead in Ohio.
And the conclusion the Justice Department at the time -- by Joan Mitchell was flatly there was no sniper.
And yet the FBI documents that I examined one of them and it was a memorandum sent to the then director of the FB IJ Edgar Hoover and may 191970.
So about two weeks after the killings.
-- that -- to bullet hole found in a tree and a statue evidence that this report stated I'm quoting now that indicated that at least two shots have been fired at the National Guard.
Another document was an interview with a student who was a witness to the killings.
Who said of that he heard one round of Paul's.
Two rounds and then the and one's opened up the M one was the Korean war are rifles -- that the National Guard used.
He stated as well the first three rounds were definitely not -- ones he thought there were 45 caliber he also observe students using.
Electronic devices radios of their -- to monitor the police and guard wavelengths so it shows that.
They -- the protest was more meticulously planned originally thought.
-- there was credible evidence not necessarily dispositive -- credible evidence that the guard was fired on first.
And there's a lot else in there that that speaks the atmosphere.
On the Kent State campus in the 72 hours preceding the killings.
Where the ROTC building was burned down to the ground.
Where there were other kinds of non lethal but nonetheless scary incidents injuries and so forth.
And my conclusion is that before dead in Ohio is tragic and senseless as their deaths were.
And for which -- Finley still bear this extraordinary pain.
They more properly belong in the grand sweep of history to four days -- May.
And that's how we should.
Look back at Kent State that's that's excellent that's next on -- that we wanted to get on the show.
Sometimes we can't get it on will bring to -- here -- I mean waiting of that that's pretty stunning and forty years later.
It is I and I are older than it was supposed to -- because and I are now I was a senior high school.
Then after graduating in June I guess a seven the united remember I remember the shock offense that -- remember very much for James captors industry's -- The incredible sense of chaos at the time I mean our disability Kent State just has the university in Ohio it's not exactly you know some -- we have.
Left -- student radicalism is -- to -- And the students from upstate -- -- to prevent the firefighters.
From you know dousing the fire physically attacked them with chains -- so at least have the sense that the country was falling apart that Nixon did intervene in Colombia and Colombia.
Cambodia pick on -- -- -- -- -- probably was just like to drop its own.
Colombia just before warrant that it lets all the southern part of what one official at -- so we're just and then -- the killing though the fortunes obviously was sort of culmination of that sense of just we were very posters.
-- -- -- -- Jeff writes James the cost of -- book isn't related to its quality is a former English major I learned one thing many bad books cost a lot of money.
Jeff is also following all the -- Well I think you guys.
Jake says short story don't throw rocks -- shoot it armed national Guardsmen.
It is interesting to look back as our resident historian.
Thank you for.
Islam and eventually get them.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- If you were were college she yourselfers can is going to college -- parents of a college.
College kind of family thought of as her cut the tragic because it's being killed and at what was obstacle that -- on the other hand.
A lot of Americans -- that front of the National Guard kids who themselves from 1940 year old kids scared kids hadn't been trained for this kind of thing mobilized.
I guess the governor of Ohio and over over how that worked.
Because that was a collapse of this because Baruch conceivably have been burned down a campus and the regular cops couldn't handle -- and a lot so it was so cool you.
I was able felt sorry for -- people were killed or minimize that but sort of -- was that it was really one of these moments where it different parts of the country identified the different.
Participants in this -- to drove -- Charles real quickly.
-- might Charles was that the end.
Of the new left was not the end of the counter cultural the protest.
The protest -- I don't think so I know I think it was the crest.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I think because such shock and division.
At that point we know domestic dead was not would we expect him -- time.
Imagine even though I mean if you read the histories now you know NCAA game after having the wrong strategy in the beginning.
As in Iraq and a lot of other places -- in World War II we actually had the right strategy the end it.
-- domestic support I mean the Watergate added on to that at the end of course.
But domestic support -- so drained away that it became impossible to sustain what was essentially.
A campaign that could was being -- and could have been one I believe by consensus of the -- On the ground I think that's why it's important important moment JD from.
Southern California -- too bad no Fox News at the time of the Kent State to to cover it.
The press play this certain why a lot of people typing yeah -- this is your first on -- experience that's interactive.
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Tonight -- -- -- -- you know -- what I'm gonna leave you with a little Jim Angle.
Jim Angle you know I've been gene Washington correspondent Jim Angle -- -- the government's use not and you.
Notices that the tragic fact here is that I've I've been doing -- behind his back for about a decade and this is not authorized -- and this is how we're gonna go public with -- I hope he's watching at home.
Next on Special Report on Jim Angle sitting in for -- -- right now.
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Well let's see what it is it is the Ted spread in the Libor.
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And in New York got all confused about it and they look.
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T this is that you don't know that we only know around the office yeah -- -- on TV there are a lot of -- in his office laughing if people at home.
Yeah not so much it would make the most good people from the world.
James thanks for coming on that was great piece that can stay as always panel thank you Aaron it's great to have you back.
That's it for Special Report on line I'm Bret Bair join us Fox News Channel every weekday at 6 PM eastern time for -- -- report control room.
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