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An elegant thing you know more of my interview with former Vice President Dick Cheney.
-- you saw the picture this weekend.
The president shaking hands with.
An anti American dictator -- -- us.
The guy who month early by the way referred to Obama as President Obama hasn't -- Ramos and had referred to President Bush is the Pavel.
What did you think of that picture.
Well I didn't I didn't think my terror and I've seen them.
Scene Hugo Chavez and operation forward Daniel Ortega.
These are people who operate in our hemisphere but you don't believe in and aren't supported.
Basic fundamental principles and policies that most of this this hemisphere here do we believe in democracy.
Nobody would ever accused the notion that us of being somebody committed to democracy.
The position we took an -- Bush Administration was ignored I think that was the right thing to do.
Businesses do something wrong maybe with the president of the United States -- -- joking.
Was -- a dictator that has been so anti American.
There's what does that image a bad image for the country well IA I think it's not helpful I think it's.
Important -- millions of people all across South America who are watching how we respond.
If they see an American president sort of cozy up to somebody like Daniel Ortega.
War room Chavez.
I think it's not help I think it it's sort of sets the wrong standard I think we.
You know we need to be.
Good neighbors but that doesn't mean that we should not distinguish.
Between those that are working harder helpful doing good work like we de Colombia called grown in Mexico.
I think you know they need to be held propped up presence got to provide leadership and I I don't want to be in a position more.
You don't you don't.
Interact with your adversaries I think you do need to do that then he's going to be done properly it's gotta be done the right conditions.
And it's gotta be made clear that you do distinguish between.
Good guys and bad guys between those who believe in democracy.
We're friends and allies the United States and those who don't and you don't treat them.
People want to go back to the issue of interrogations and the releasing.
The the -- so that gave out specific information even Leon Panetta said it was dangerous for former CIA director said it was dangerous.
They urged -- about Obama administration not to do it.
Why a why do you think they would do that in spite of that recommendation.
If only for political reasons and secondly.
Why is it important.
That those intense interrogations took place -- -- the ones they were talking about was sleep deprivation water water boarding.
Putting insects in this small confined areas in and telling them that they were deadly in fact.
Why you why -- those tactics needed necessary why you think they continue to be.
Sir -- -- -- Try to keep it short within a lot about life there are sure obviously it's the key question.
In the aftermath of nine elevenths.
With 3000 dead Americans sixteen acres in downtown New York devastated they hold the Pentagon.
We didn't know a lot about al-Qaeda.
We didn't have the body of knowledge we have today.
But it was a relatively unknown group -- a little bit about it but not a lot.
We also in the aftermath of 9/11 with a very short period of time faced with the anthrax attacks.
What we did know about al-Qaeda was that they were trying to acquire nuclear weapons.
So we had.
Serious concerns about it put it like that in short order we were facing the possibility the -- Q Khan network black market.
Selling of nuclear weapons technology.
Enrichment facilities that feed stock and weapons design.
By AQ -- Pakistan for the Libyans and Iranians.
And the north Koreans and obviously one of the questions come up and his.
-- -- -- in Pakistan with this technology -- capability dealing with -- Osama bin Laden.
He may be in Pakistan into all those kinds of issues.
Meant we had to collect good first rate intelligence about what was going on so we can -- and defend against it.
And that's what we did.
With the in -- intelligence programs that terror surveillance program policy.
He interrogation program we set out to -- that kind of intelligence.
It worked and it's been enormously valuable in terms of saving lives preventing another mass casualty attack against the United States.
One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure.
Is they put out brilliant legal memo.
The memos that the CIA got from the -- some of them legal counsel.
But they didn't put out the memos that show the success of the effort and there are reports that show specifically.
What we gained as result of this activity they have not been declassified.
I formally ask that they be declassified now -- did.
But -- now -- talked about.
But I know specifically of reports that I read I saw that lay out what we learned through the interrogation process.
And what the consequences were for the country.
And I've known formally -- the CIA to.
Take steps to declassify those -- so we can lay them out there in the American people have a chance to see.
What we obtained and what we've learned and -- that the intelligence was as well as to -- this debate over here the legal opinions.
Towards -- and actually said we got more from those interrogations and we would ever gotten from the FBI the CIA or the NSA combined.
But you're saying that -- not tell the whole story.
Well I think if you're gonna have the -- we're gonna have this debate analysts have an honest debate.
-- -- -- my exclusive interview with former Vice President Cheney tomorrow night now here's a pre deal of what's in store.
What the Obama people are doing in effect the -- -- we don't need those tough policies.
That we had.
And that says they didn't work.
Which we know is not the case they -- work they kept us safe for seven years.
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