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And we are alive here on the strategy room messenger -- Fridays ago I am your host Clayton -- welcome to another picture we've -- a lot of good news that happened just before the show and we have a special guests here with us we have four special guest but one of them sitting next to -- -- -- This era is a hard -- -- an extension him.
It's fri sat six jock -- front twelve times.
She actually is with a pirate day.
And of course there was a moment of the conviction earlier today.
We have Sasha -- from DC mag dot com we also tumbled barrel from general products the makers of Drobo which is a fantastic product we'll get into that just a second and joining us via Skype.
This afternoon is Adam Christians and host of the Mac cast he is out in San Diego hey Adam how you doing.
They played -- -- and good to be here.
Thanks for coming on the show -- of course on the -- we have to hide lakers' arrogantly interference on.
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-- So a lot of news to talk about and you -- can all weigh in on this because just literally about now for the show you -- email my friends saying -- yet to see her on she's in New York City she's from Sweden.
Because of -- whole pirate day trial that just ended up this morning I guess earlier this morning wrapping up and a couple of your coworkers now convicted.
In the first at first crack at please at.
It'll be appealing for a couple of years and probably hopefully.
They'll be fine but at this moment one -- in prison and three million dollars.
So you're in America right now are you running away from authorities went back.
That's a good thing they went away from Ed you know because I added that pirate -- code being fan.
That group that is the -- -- Lobbyists artist part it's called yes hi.
-- bureau piracy.
Adam on future.
Break this down force because you're -- -- -- try to do -- -- try to make this non it's non -- is possible when we get the easy button.
-- -- to try to break it down force Adam if you can give a layman's description of what you what.
-- twenty news and pirate game is and that maybe help our our listeners walk walk us through this.
Sure sure as much as I understand it.
I'm you know BitTorrent is a way -- -- distribute files.
From computer to computer.
The main differences and you know when you're talking about file sharing typically you have a server a central location that people connect to and download files from what the -- -- technology allows you to do is.
Have individual files that are on individuals computers and when you go request the file.
It knows how to go out and find it.
Those files on other computers so you're you're transferring bits from other locations.
So and it comes over little bits at a time.
Not all in kind of one big piece from 1 big central location.
Now do you want challenges is he needle place where you can figure out who will test copies of these files.
And in that case you do you have -- this server that's just like a directory like that Google that says.
I'm looking for this file and it knows where all the other people on the BitTorrent network -- that have those those files so you connect to that and that's the kind of service that.
It's my understanding -- environment -- -- -- which is I think they can tell me where those you -- what other people have copies of those files.
Is -- a good summation.
It's like Google basically -- -- what is it that you.
I think whatever you like the findings have -- -- your computer and then lace it up for you.
You guys feel free to jump in any questions spring to mind such -- mean we -- talking a little bit about.
You know the changing face of you can download and we were -- -- lime wire we're talking about Napster time you're you're Napster hired back in the -- -- view you bit -- at all.
You know here.
-- -- -- -- -- You know something on -- comment on T who is it.
If he's going to be any kinds of files so you know I'm I'm in podcasting in 9/11 people were video podcasters that distribute content.
Through BitTorrent and it is legitimate.
You know it's it's not.
The copy protected stuff they could -- they want to use the distribution network is the big advantages.
Is it reduces the load on the server costs a lot to send these files around for a lot of people so.
You know it just because you have a directory like pirate bay or something like that you know the content that you're accessing is really where the problem becomes is it.
Copy protected is -- something that that isn't copy protected it.
Doesn't just reduce the -- on the server because you're downloading multiple copies from multiple servers at the same time it's also often really really fast.
And just like -- was saying.
If you load up -- the most prominent BitTorrent client and is something called views on I I use a Mac and it's like probably fraud.
And when you load it up you immediately get this huge menu of completely legal content.
A lot of web cast a lot of web entertainment there's this really popular show called the guild which is that popular among people on Twitter.
That's all offered through BitTorrent -- because it's a really efficient way of delivering files and so even beyond -- piracy per say this as a protocol it's a great way to get stuff through the Internet.
And you are you still downloading and so I mean you are back in the days.
You were ended -- your face is plastered all over campus because you -- a pirate and it on Napster.
Well yeah not me specifically what you're my night -- its friends of mine.
You know it Napster and -- today I think.
The younger generation understands that these technologies -- for the value neutral.
You can use them for download legal content you can use them for downloading illegal content the problem is traditionally been that there's not.
Much legal content to get so people end up getting the shows they want however.
That got them which I think it's really a problem in the fact that traditionally there hasn't been -- way to get.
The TV shows in the music you want so I don't think it's necessarily part -- problem that.
The studios haven't made the content people want available so are you worried about your are you worried about the stories coming after you now -- your friends -- you know I -- prison.
I thought of a beef.
But that problem.
One of the problem with this something that at one of the guys toys that -- to this percentage and -- sentenced to prison theatrics that week he and mean igniting the pirate -- he's just the guy that was.
-- it that some guy a couple of years ago because he was giving them some computer space whenever it.
So that's another thing that they don't -- -- -- court right now with black not all that stuff -- pirate -- is illegal also.
Not all the people connected is doing illegal stuff in it traditionally.
There's something very -- beauty about this whole prosecution it's like that big media companies.
Are screaming running around with their heads cut off because they know there's all this piracy out there they don't know how to stop it so they need to make an example of somebody so let's just grab a couple of.
Who grab a couple of -- -- data that's what they did it before we've seen this before of course in other pirates with the within with a record industry recording industry.
-- go after a few people.
-- can't read them if they think it's a teenager in their parents' basement the parents don't even know they're on their download and all these songs in a mom ends up like haven't you know.
We lose our house because you can't pay for all the bills now her son's opponent gets hauled off to present right.
-- -- -- -- That this scarier thing it -- for me when I'm thinking about the -- -- not even for me -- you know say any other company that's a directory mean you can find currents on Google illegal not.
Illegal so you know -- is Google -- -- really worried about this and a decision because.
-- are out there they're just a directory and so it becomes you know where's the chain of accountability who's responsible for this stuff -- the person who's sharing out the illegal content in.
Do the people who are helping distribute and help -- the stuff to they have a responsibility to act as cops and you -- you you're just reading a slippery slope.
But -- -- -- out on Twitter and on in an email here just any questions you have for Sarah because we have our very own life pirate.
Sitting right next to us it's -- off we get this.
He sent this in strategy of a foxnews.com.
Any of your question you have one email go to on Claymores on twitters and there and we'll we'll answer some of those questions hopefully -- here and -- -- I'm Tom you are with data robotics for those of us who don't know what Drobo is I think it's fantastic product they're a lot of people out there I -- the segment a few weeks ago on back how to backup your hard -- Spring cleaning so to speak and a -- Drobo in that -- And because it is.
It's redundant so it saves you it's it's basically idiot proof from protecting your your your data -- -- -- in trouble is and we actually have some video when it actually looks like here.
So -- those external storage.
Basically the box apartments.
And automatically keeps your data safe so one of those hard drive crash.
You don't lose your day and if you run out of room rather than windows or -- popping up saying you know reply.
Just pop -- in new hard drive or take us all hard drive out and put a bigger hard drive it.
And we built the technology to do this kind of makes partner it's almost like.
A pretty fair and that's kind of revolution in the -- industry.
The -- -- become popular with photographers.
And -- -- pirate -- that you could say it.
A lot of media you know we've released a new product April 7 -- Which is intended early -- small businesses.
This when we're looking at your hands -- word these notable pro eight.
These -- that's correct yeah.
So regular four days ago is something you want to think about it desktops home uses.
It digital so -- It's great.
You'll capture your Xbox 360 years.
-- -- product does it here for our power.
You know you know.
Feeling -- -- or you know for -- central -- This is kind of the next evolution of removable media like -- you think about it when.
When we were kids there were floppy disks then and I were somewhat -- -- floppy disks and then there where USB drives now are using a lot of USB sticks and kind of what makes Drobo awesome.
Is that it makes hard drives which are now becoming relatively cheap you can get a pretty big part rapper fifty or sixty -- It makes hard drives almost as hot -- -- bullets USB drive.
-- is unbelievable and the use trouble.
Nobody and I had been planning after -- it's typical -- and yeah I mean I really.
It's absolutely craziest you have a lot of -- obviously with your podcast the Mac cast and for those of our listeners who are familiar with the Mac can't go to iTunes downloads fantastic podcast that was long time and I actually you can download the episode -- number I was -- you have me on as a -- a few months ago.
We chatted about digital media changing -- and new versus old media but I imagine with all of like that storage space having all of your all of the stuff you need to have.
If you troubles for you.
Yeah yeah luckily luckily I'm in audio it's not too big but I have a lot of friends -- video and actually I actually just did another show.
With that's the talking about using the Mac mini is a home theater I think that's what's going on it.
A lot of people using your it was distort their their immediate content their home movies they're -- photos and get all that in 1 central location where they don't have to worry about.
It Blake was mentioned it filling up they can just keep adding on in extending that as they -- in more media.
Anthony F -- writes this this is so what is it all of this going to cost.
So he wants to know the difference you're pricing for for Drobo what is the lower end and higher and for a regular drove OO.
And that's -- it is 49.
And your hard drives cost you.
Whatever since our drive is different than other storage systems you can actually put it drives you lying around the house or go by she drives from.
You know CDW or Amazon you don't have to buy expensive drugs.
So the unit itself -- warning -- yes.
And then the drives are on top of that sort you know 5060 -- -- drive I would suggest starting off with two drives yeah.
If you go to Joba com you can find out more in our partners sometimes.
Better pricing so it's -- good place check them.
Great let's talk about some.
X other big story there were other than pirates welcome back to that when -- hear.
Let's talk about what's going on YouTube which that was -- big story overnight Google finally decided to do something with -- and put a premium content on there.
Actually making movies and TV shows available but the -- -- -- thirty seconds -- up -- and probably you know presumably between.
But here's the problem -- you -- actually looked -- the content on there -- is we.
It's real vocalist right at the try to compete with who I mean and awful school through box -- apartment in DC unknowns and knows who which I mean.
You know they got behind -- was absent fantastic I want to all time.
But if I compete on that -- now just isn't it Wheatley to.
Yeah I mean the the stuff on -- right now makes I don't -- the TV land channel look like look like the hottest current entertainment.
It's it's this sort of random company candidate second string bargain -- stuff.
It's it's it's a little confusing as to why they decide to launch with this pathetic mess.
But I've heard that CBS is one of their partners so you've got everything that CBS is going to -- some stuff up and make at least somewhat competitive because.
You know gone back to the pirate -- story.
That's who they have to compete with it's not just -- they got to compete with these.
-- Yeah because if you want that you do you know you go to the go to acquire -- -- BitTorrent sites just.
Get those episodes you have to sit there wait for it streaming actually -- living on your own Drobo you can have a living on your hard drive in your house you can watch it whenever you want.
Adam have you played around -- today we've seen some of the changes.
I haven't updated it need to do the YouTube thing -- I'm also a huge with a fan as well as I below the Netflix streaming service through yet.
A lot of what's going on I think is.
You know everybody's got -- for content now an end it is pregnant and I -- -- noting you know Netflix has pretty good.
Content but -- some of it is kind of -- older stuff.
You you wonder about you know.
How we can get all this centralized and I think this the networks in the the creators of these content this contents try to figure out you know how to do deals and how to maximize their profits and things like that it is interesting that they would launch with.
You know not a large catalog but I think people -- -- you're Hamburg look at what iTunes was doing when they launched TV shows -- movies and in the lunch with a very small library.
-- -- reverend reverend Rick then but then they were able to ramp up quickly so if you didn't has deals in place they're working on and they think they can ramp up quickly it might not be.
-- -- I mean fox Fantasy Island is on there that -- These are hot program I mean it's.
Any risk that they need to ramp it up soon Tom and you're being -- -- admit that.
Party five at a party five on there but you know -- only a few things on there.
When -- Microsoft or who think you can afford one products.
When -- this -- but you know other other companies they can -- -- yeah so -- -- citizens.
-- -- YouTube and the surprised if something -- content shortly but this is Google.
Yet exactly and it you know and stuff like that for a Gmail is still -- That possible we've been using -- -- two years.
But -- you know -- here it is -- last week of -- threat of it five years old still -- Another big story which -- Oprah.
You know I think about an hour from now -- -- -- -- She is going to be on Twitter -- that's the doors asking -- opportunity to talk about one million followers that he got.
This thing has gotten out of control.
I've been wondering in all caps all morning and it.
And got to correct her on that pretty soon he had yet and I also got it -- -- from acting and opera browser.
-- web browser opera got me from them saying -- opera says so welcome Oprah to Twitter and we send your -- -- -- That.
Yeah I mean this is it's the mainstreaming of Twitter I've been on Twitter for a while I was initially skeptical.
Now I really like it I find it.
A good way to connect with people across the sort of back channel right and but yet one interesting things about Twitter is that it's used in different ways by different people like for some of these celebrities.
It could just be a good publicity mechanism or -- good.
Way to connect with their fans the fans feel connected to damage here but that doesn't know.
-- necessarily mean it isn't steal away for individuals to connect with -- little circles of friends.
I don't see these various uses of Twitter necessarily.
Destroy each other.
It just becomes more popular.
It's not least.
Just bad what.
And I use it here on the show and -- -- on Fox & Friends regularly because I'm such a great way to access viewers.
You know love boxing reviewers don't throw a question or.
Just in a break right before him.
Coming up we just got this morning came across -- I think about this room talk about -- few minutes ago he's great responses and read them on here instantaneously.
Tom we have.
Drobo has its own Twitter page at Drobo DR -- -- oh and give us about your own how did you use to use it like Oprah's going to.
Personally is it just to update my friends -- -- -- in the world them constantly traveling for work.
And you know I find it.
Very useful for personal.
What people more in any connection with FaceBook -- the fact that the feeds connect that thing.
If it was just what are not sure I would -- start with yeah.
For -- robotics we find it really useful as a marketing tool.
For generating interest we we post press releases a new product announcements.
We've got relationships of podcasters like Scott Bourne Wright who help -- similar messages we also asked for feedback like the other day we.
Use twit -- to post photos of how -- troubles are set up an -- home offices.
Isn't it interesting to see this really just.
Hearing about how people use their products and Twitter is a great way to -- Think about this.
Oprah getting out -- -- -- court she's having actually on eyes you know he spark controversy earlier this week when he first follow the breaking news be.
Last night he won the first person.
That the well Obama -- -- -- that I -- that they did this yeah.
Part of his problem in you know I think that's for me that that's the thing if it's just a publicity stunt -- it's just did.
Depending get paid their name out there I mean these people are famous already they've they've really don't need it but if they're actually going to using it -- -- tool and innocent celebrities that are really using it like yourself Jimmy Fallon is doing a great job using it -- not only help promote his show bit.
Also team you know connect with the audience and that's really what I use it -- and I think it was overwhelming when a lot of people use it for different reasons.
The one problem I think that we're gonna have isn't it is -- If there's too much noise on their people might start to turn it off so -- it -- really mainstream and there's no way to filter -- -- filter down to the content that you want to get on Twitter.
Then it's gonna be a problem luckily there's lot of great software tools out there and there hasn't been geeky guys that developers can -- into and they can solve those problems -- so you know I'm looking at the needs seasoning desktop clients and -- it properly between -- To going to help me -- groups and -- down that content so I can make these little.
Circles within -- that become more relevant useful stick it to me.
Through my Twitter -- right now mores and you know obviously you -- People use it differently.
-- are close he writes these.
Went quiet the -- -- Some people posting mobile -- as well but a lot of people watching -- show right now.
So quick as we don't -- back usually after some of these about Drobo.
I use this in conjunction with the Xbox drive they want to know through -- -- fixes what's known in these in conjunction with -- Xbox guys.
Yeah we -- an -- on product called drug pusher which lets you put it on the network and you can install.
-- -- that you can't kgo in a client which is the sort of language that list of -- storage devices talk to you.
Platforms like Xbox and Sony PlayStation -- are absolutely.
Pop up go right what happened of that deal about the irony.
In creating their own country.
-- about that.
To do that you need a lot of money and one thing that's kind of and -- that's the irony is that the pirate bay.
Half alive at there's nominee there's no money it's it's insane you know people just go look to have ten million dollars -- you know come.
Even we don't we ended up being a black and to give money you need ads and -- what was the that.
You know I mean.
You know you know because they're -- -- not as you probably get me Adam wouldn't.
This one pirate.
-- -- -- I yeah I don't know what Fred depends it spends -- reach that probably some.
People listen Michelle using it so it it might be it might be -- little have been.
Work people -- -- -- Word yes.
Let's move on talk about unsettling announcement.
-- -- -- -- -- larger displease.
Actually -- -- more.
So I'm surprised myself.
I think I mean everybody and go with the Kendall has really liked it and it it does seem to be the first.
That people can really get it to you Terry -- knows that agreeing with.
Yeah I mean that the main the main barrier entry I know for me is just the high initial price it.
I mean for instance I'd -- magazines I subscribe to way way too many magazines -- arrive at my house every day captioning and your cat fancy thing.
Yeah absolutely absolutely it's it's very good to know you know what what's the diet right for -- -- but let's go ahead but yeah I love magazines what I love to get them on a candle instead of a pile of paper -- -- I have 350 dollars to plunk down instead of paying 995 a couple of times a year for different subscription.
Yeah -- always seems pretty successful on Amazon of course -- if you go to Amazon so you can actually watches and Kevin Lewis had a video for you guys on there.
I at all surprised that they would already come out Kindle 2 and then suddenly there's going to be another Kindle that rolls out we think about this.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And this thing and as a pirate a lot of you know ever for something -- -- fans so on and we don't one.
Something should that we don't whine about that you know fifty you know not come up it's just that.
What we've -- what we find when he wouldn't we you know -- like a lot of that.
That is that that won the best.
They wait Alan and use that I'm sorry you know we're gonna I'm sorry that you -- -- but it says.
People -- just choose to -- the best way.
You know changes -- avenue and I had a conversation about this on your show about the future of media and not -- -- -- in new media anymore but it's getting content from people however they get it -- it and you know.
Like doing that show differences -- -- that we last week.
They need this this show this much action here available on iTunes is a video podcast so.
If you can't watch it -- you could you know watching on your iPod it was you you can watch it wherever you want is that what we're seeing here is this just.
It's sort of like a tipping point in all this media right now.
Yeah yeah meaning that newspapers and magazines on there.
The other thing is -- you -- -- -- the Kindle that available for the iPhone so I didn't play around with that in the end that's absolutely fabulous and it sinks with your Kindle so it keeps your -- spot.
Right if you want to go back and forth between did you devices I was surprised that they you know this rivers that they're gonna make a larger one because most people line -- look -- it now wish it was a little bit smaller may be that's not quite.
Hospitable so the iPhone may -- that coming palm that -- line you know if they continue to make these software available in the with a sinking technology available.
You know I think it's just going to continue to be huge and yeah I'm I'm with.
You know the price issue for me the -- a little bit too expensive so and I have some great outside my -- has a great book reader called classics and another one called -- that's you know the same thing and I'm I've been using those and absolutely letting them so you know I think that technology is right.
And I think consumers are gonna find indeed the product the hardware that kind of -- works for their lifestyle.
-- -- -- -- -- You know its -- that -- sunlight actually looks like.
It's not blinded by on all.
You know it definitely -- way.
It's not guys so I think that I think he's slightly smaller places ahead -- to pocket.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- A couple of years now I've been seeing demos of the device from a company called polymer vision -- which I think is that based in the Netherlands -- we kids.
Think of a Kindle except it's paper thin and you can roll without.
Now we showed last week on the show because it mentioned that Rupert Murdoch had mentioned at a conference was -- -- few weeks ago that he.
-- we know that the Tribune is are -- doing this investing in an.
Rupert let let's -- yes in fact where we are investing here let's were wondering what company was worth it plastic plastic logic.
Makers of that rule law -- -- Device and in the -- you just mentioned which was -- at home.
So and I want to see I love my -- so and I had a lot of people who want to keep it on the show talked about.
-- people Twitter.
If you just joining us -- sentiments -- past -- hour strategy basically -- shots era so hard.
-- -- -- it's the -- -- keep -- she is a pirate.
She's from pirate -- of course the big news this week this morning about the convictions here -- of hero from Drobo data robotics makers fantastic for them hard drive.
Drobo -- auspices from PC mag dot com.
And joining -- via Skype this this afternoon.
It's morning for him and seeing you know he's -- -- and host of the Mac cast go to iTunes and download it.
A lot more news talk about this morning this afternoon.
Wherever this podcast find you.
Finally getting released me getting word that it's actually going to be in that we could have us no no no I saw flawed perhaps it may and a padlock in -- Your earliest days Sasha is a what.
With PC -- -- -- -- crucial time you do all the cellphones and mobile devices yeah the lead analyst for mobile devices says the palm tree falls under my area and I had been dealing with these palm pre release date rumors for months now.
Everybody desperately wants this thing to come out so badly that they're willing to assign arbitrary -- to it.
Sure maybe yeah for the the way it works is that -- the only thing comments sprint said publicly is that it's going to come out before the end of him but we can regulate it a little bit closer -- I happen to know the comments sprint have a window.
Idea -- That they've been moving the release date back and forth again depending on how it's doing in their labs -- -- staff training is going they're being flexible because they want to get this right.
So they've started staff training several love blogs have reported that and they actually just today started print ad campaign.
You open up a Wall Street Journal look on the back -- I think the first second as a big Humphrey down there yeah so they've made that prominent.
That tells me it's probably going to be some time in that.
-- yeah I wouldn't say -- An exact date in May right now because even at the last minute they could change the date in May depending on whether they have enough stuff in the stores what -- -- -- that -- training -- bank yet.
We have seen them home -- you excited about here you know.
I had a Blackberry since the days -- -- -- sideways black and white haters yeah.
And it just -- the -- July.
I'm pretty happy I I don't know what the killer feature on it's like well that's the thing what is the key is it that I'm sorry is -- the key.
Now the speaker of the palm -- it is that's the thing it's it's a little hard to describe it like.
It's like the team where before people had he does no one really understand what it even -- the -- -- for the palm -- is something called synergy.
Where you have this plug in architecture where it can take all of your various.
Messaging and address books from all around the web whether they -- -- Ideally FaceBook MySpace Twitter.
And integrate them all into one -- things so that you can see on your mobile all at once.
Everybody you know from all different places and communicate with all of them -- -- the appropriate.
It's Adam I have a question for you because you you know this is this is -- the inevitable question you're gonna get as host of the Mac cast is this vision inevitable iPhone killer that we keep hearing about.
For all these different phones none of the never add up to be the iPhone killer.
The -- and yet.
You know everybody keeps saying it's the iPhone killer game they -- They got Jon Rubenstein you know -- involved apple end they you know to iPhone development and so I think that was a smart little long arms part.
You know I think it's gonna be the -- alternatives.
You know the so much of the stuff comes down to care because I know a bunch of people who who say it -- an iPhone if it wasn't you locked eighteen -- Lot of people like you know sprint or.
You like your network so you wanna stay with that so I think it's gonna be the one that's going to give the iPhone and it's.
Best run for the money but I think it's really just going to be an alternative it's gonna come down to teachers.
Alone you know the synergy -- sounds sounds awesome I know there's people that just -- focus doesn't have a keyboard what.
I -- early that someone correct me.
On that's elite means alone be right.
Absolutely you know -- the iPhone is.
-- -- Both -- city -- regional city life you know.
-- -- -- -- -- -- Those yeah I'd love to see screen like that in the palm trees not going to be an OLED screen which is.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Oh well he -- and Samsung impression.
On the fifth anatomy and he has the first let alone in the -- and -- -- -- -- username today.
Gossip by the Zune HD network news' this week and it's an ice -- any truth to the Zune HD rumors deal on resumed sir -- I don't do you know anyone that does know that in in the -- the we don't even think you were building -- -- what you think about this we think about this -- HD NC for small.
I wonder why Microsoft would keep dumping money into a product that doesn't seem to be to be going anywhere I saw some -- -- rumored league today images they looked.
You know pretty pretty fake to me in terms of the equality -- yeah and one of the teachers and threw me up this is that Xbox.
3-D like it's gonna play Xbox three games that's the -- that that seemed a little.
Out there -- Let's move on me -- guys gamers.
And I know you're -- iPhone gamers overnight tonight.
-- -- -- casual -- and to have more casual gamer I'm I'm I'm.
I'm a casual gamer I'm not quite that you guys do it -- warcraft that the -- -- -- to that.
-- -- -- World of Warcraft stuff.
But out about that okay I think it's fantastic.
-- -- But I'm also excited about -- -- you gotta check this out its new bat and are silently.
It was fantastic comic.
And video game looks like this could be one of the best that unions ever made well heartbeat -- Competition be patently.
-- But I know -- -- people -- excited about this game and the arts and ghostbusters game I'll take -- look this trailer though.
This is from the new Batman -- sound.
-- All this -- to -- The guys supposed to break got me.
He surrendered almost without a -- I don't like yeah.
Pleased he's back where he belongs.
I -- a track.
-- -- -- -- There's no escape joker.
It's over joker the like -- he would do.
Even beaten god.
-- -- -- -- That that's going to be out there in June I'm really sad about that can even if you're not a game you have to be -- it looks pretty pretty pretty sweet government.
It looks really -- it reminds me of an incredibly difficult game I -- like in -- like in the late eighties early ninety's.
Which was given that remember the series wizardry yes yes.
Wizardry for you where the bad guy -- you had to fight your way up from the bottom of the dungeon.
And -- face all the heroes on your way out.
He had it -- look excited like that it looks pretty involved -- and Kevin -- -- -- Kevin Conroy right Kevin yeah Kevin.
Wait that the enemy theories.
Which sport and mark -- bar.
-- and that -- union and eastern gulf.
So mark -- -- that way so that's going to be huge.
Hue and night.
-- -- Earlier.
And we'll come back that don't talk Reid will be -- -- Actually it's actually could actually help them.
-- -- -- -- That's also coming and if we.
-- out there.
No one of their other device that is -- wish list though I played England and their fabulous.
You have one yet yet human.
Love it so this -- motion plus we know about it just adds an extra security to.
And -- I don't know much more than I guess it's coming out in June and whether or not they're not that we we did learn this week they're not gonna go back to their old games and added it.
They're just gonna have it as part of their new games for -- Nintendo.
This thing has been just huge successful and this is unbelievable.
Leo of the weenie that the reason for the Wii's success is very similar to the reason for the iPhone success which is that it's all about interface yeah it's all about intuitive -- and -- -- -- I mean for a while there was a case where these game consoles were just getting to be for.
Serious gamers and teenage boys were willing to learn these ridiculously complicated controllers and then the week comes out and anybody complain.
Just like the iPhone was sort of the Smartphone that anybody could play so yeah -- took off.
Rock band the same way credit actually what is the real turn to divide and Xbox 360 and rock band.
And it gives you that we like experience without having.
-- -- the extra money.
In other news and talk about -- backwards wouldn't of The Beatles coming out the rock in addition it's going to be over -- a -- -- -- -- -- And we understand is going to be like -- special drum set and it.
No -- such a huge Beatles fan I don't know what he's back among out of would you buy this thing.
When I got him yeah I'm -- he -- that he's Beatles fan bet I mean it looks like a lot a lot of fun.
You know 250 dollars with all of the -- -- -- that you get AM I think a lot of people are gonna go for it.
Yeah especially if you already happen.
-- -- -- -- -- And -- being asked then go -- -- a lot.
Couple hundred extra dollars for this whole experience yet I think of the -- of The Beatles and I think I mean I loved The Beatles they're they're classics that the biggest Beatles fans are like my parents' age you know they're they're they're in their 50s60s.
And -- necessarily have or want to play rock band I am I don't know it seems like we -- map.
Yeah you put rock band.
Now I am sorry -- playing because that's I played for content to keep forgetting.
She can't hire at the hardware and weeks ahead -- and -- -- so they.
Let's talk about Steve Jobs Adam.
-- -- weigh in on this course Wall Street Journal this week reporting that Steve Jobs maintains his grip.
On apple even despite not being in Cupertino I guess presumably we'd like to think just sitting on his -- running you know though that there.
Yeah -- we I mean.
What are we take away from what's the take away from this is that is it that apple is okay in his absence.
That a lot of products are still rolling out I mean what we take away.
You know you know I talked about -- on the show -- it's -- there's -- there's great at -- blogger John Gruber who said let's that apple you know Steve's doing exactly what he said he was gonna give you -- -- -- -- -- been -- -- but still be involved in the database.
It's it's almost a non story this story is so it's a little bit -- from that perspective but.
You know I said it when he was going -- leave a lot of people were panic in Iowa people in in the media were saying won't you know this -- do for problem what if he doesn't come back and -- myself I basically said.
You know I think you look at the Tina I think a -- -- -- -- about the history they're thinking about the ninety's when when jobs wasn't there apple kind it was a amassed.
But since jobs has been back he's really put in an executive team I think that can step in and take over and I think this leave of absence is proven that so.
Whether -- comes back or not and I think you know if he's healthy I think he is gonna come back but that's the big question mark that's out there.
But he doesn't come back I think they have proven in the in this period of time that the -- eighteen there they continue to -- they can do the special announcements they can launch really big products.
In Ireland they can do without jobs so I think they've proven that apple is in good answer for that for the long term and again we -- -- very -- -- that I think talking about -- lines of hardware.
You know apple has hardware plans out years and years and years so even if you know he's the visionary.
There's still a lot of the blame it on apple that is going to continued progress -- hypocrite out.
And a song you talking about the hardware pipeline we think about this -- adamant that you raise a great point.
We're headquartered -- -- is headquartered just a little ways away from apple also had the privilege of working with Apple frequently.
Half of the buyers are product today ROS ten customers yet.
And I think what we know is that.
-- this sort of culture -- Apple is really in ingrained there.
You know Steve Jobs like -- it will remain that such -- attention.
And sort of high quality products.
That I'm confident that you know even when Steve is fully exit the business they'll continue to be who they are.
So we're just -- -- from a popular magazine writes The Beatles high price needed to be high to pay for Michael Jackson's legal fees.
Vegas you know they own that -- they still -- You know the only part -- -- analog you know part of their catalog on the might have gotten back when.
Another pirate question wolverines had just watched Wolverine yet X-Men origins -- I don't want to see it without the CBI.
I mean I hear this I hear this this movie -- comes out and it's like.
You -- the awesome thing about Wolverine is going to be the effects and I'm like oh it came out without all the good stuff while I want to watch the crap.
First it right well -- that's a pirate.
Built up as a pirate.
You guys had it up up up one pirate day course I think over a million people have already watched it it's not even out in theaters yet.
Does this hurt the movie industry don't have a movie like this out what -- it actually help them.
That's a fall back -- -- it would like typical black fighters.
Fuller regardless beats and you know -- -- -- Just.
But -- and people don't care -- They've seen that -- not minding your kind of fine it just like.
It used to be only have 500 million CD -- -- Them.
So I guess that what happens when you've seen in one -- it.
If that you want to -- that -- -- -- go to that you want to experience it.
It's sad -- the cat expert -- -- a teaser basically back that I have of you know recent show that.
-- (%expletive) whenever.
That you wanna go out that you know get.
-- -- -- whatever so we humans -- -- and to be clear it's not pirate bay that's putting this content up there is somebody from the -- Leo from the studio who we did it was.
Same people who need information about the pump prettier -- -- apple iPhone right it's people on the inside doing it and you know it's not your fault but they have -- appropriately.
We -- going to prison because we.
Kind of disagree maybe not maybe we do with that in with -- what.
We did what they industry thinks that's not what just kind of quiet it's a crappy that that.
I'm hoping like that.
Barack Obama the new administration can bring some copyright and intellectual property reform.
-- -- a member I don't know if you guys are members of the electronic frontier foundation now.
But it's a good organization if you don't know about it check it out they're the folks who like when he gets you about your -- They come and defend you for free electronic frontier town yeah that yes that -- yeah.
And folks like -- of the -- Lawrence -- are.
You know kind of out there with this organization -- trumpeting ideas like the creative commons.
I'm just really excited for cases like.
Higher beta want to hopefully one day's principle formed his whole system is so vivid broken.
Because you know what I think it's fine cycle via the way back and help people of course feel and what is it powerless them -- -- you know this that -- -- -- It -- fine him you know -- -- -- I just like.
Just thinking about what it means that the president elect you know expect getting kind yeah right and -- it.
International law like what if -- you know with digital it's very complicated what if one country wants to say we don't have copyright law it's.
What else to the rest of the world need the the international entertainment conglomerates are trying to standardize copyright on the US -- extra long.
System I I wrote called a couple of months ago about.
Copyright law but at the end of the day it's basically a bunch kids librarians and academics versus Rupert Murdoch.
That case it is going to have more influence unfortunately.
Right and what's your way on this what do you think about this Wolverine being leaked or just this content being out there and maybe using it as a driver to actually go and see that the pacing -- the.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- You people are so concerned about the quality they just want to know what's going on with the movie is there really excited about it.
And I think they're still gonna go see in the movies and it's still gonna buy that that the dvd and you the Blu-ray and and I don't think it really hurt her exit at all.
I think the studios are really concerned about it it's in you know unless they're doing it themselves after -- -- you know how much of this is -- sort of guerrilla PR that's going on behind the scenes that we don't we don't.
21 writes on on the announces that there are special effects movies that are bigger than Wolverine structure in transformers I presume it to one means.
On bit torn already in his Star Trek I don't know that starts it starts have already out.
I know I mean I know it's not right -- because -- I'd be excited to see that transformer certainly not but I wonder if he means.
I don't know I don't know exactly -- -- But I knew everything and you know that fact that kind of they are run by that people so to -- -- the world that so it kind of there have to be people putting it up there doesn't come out of it -- -- -- that's an exit even you know it's the kind of -- -- that you know it's not like.
It's weird Internet who wrote just throwing everything that off in its not like that.
-- don't like my friend who runs I do a podcast with him as well and it's a -- very cafe dot -- prisoner cafes -- company and podcasts.
That I do my -- my buddy but he he runs his own his own business that you are pro he does a video podcast.
But he also does dvds puts dvds out for all of the shows and that's how he makes money and one -- -- important -- -- in some -- -- torrent -- that.
The pirates actually hurt his business because he you know he's DVDs dvds are out there he's not able to sell them.
His business suffers I mean what do you say to those guys because I know that he he he did.
Cries the pirates you know of course and it's kind of hard to explain that this you know the kind of down.
Together with that we used to sell stuff and to promote it's kind of hard to fit together hey that's additional -- What people at least kind of neat thing about -- that.
Industry is doing it apparently making these weird phones.
About him you know -- If we still -- like the suspicious and let you -- going not you know and you hope and at the -- of the -- fans of those particular you know yeah.
Groups actually support them and provide actually Amy and when it comes select artists and your friends for example.
The starting -- this thing going why why.
-- fall in it's just like what we need to happen.
You know different ways you know -- -- beat them.
Up before we leave show we've been of course following the saga that is the Microsoft to the new Microsoft ads and they've gotten it started out pretty funny.
And then me.
That we need to start up pretty funny with -- going shopping for -- -- for her computer.
Well now there's a mock there's a mock ad out there and -- -- -- -- your -- a mock almost got the homeless guy I didn't.
It's very funny I want to end the show with the tools we'll do this welcome back penalties wrapping that they'll want to take a look at the mock Microsoft -- This is for people those who want -- laptop we've.
Dollars -- we told him you find it if you keep it for him that that's what they -- -- -- homeless.
Who will be there.
She really -- -- -- Windows Vista home premium if both she and renewable.
This classic pump or put on top ratings it's -- about what it's all lot of other books his second rate green components.
It's a terrible antivirus software I don't want it can.
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