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And we're back now discussing the presidential campaign -- Obama advisor Tom Daschle and McCain supporter Tom reg.
Before we -- other riches let's discuss the possibility that one or both view will end up as your party's vice presidential nominee senator Daschle up Obama asks you.
But we aside.
I'd say Tom readers make -- great VP candidate Chris I prefer Barack Obama no not over for John McCain -- Heidi.
I'm not seeking the vice presidency and I talked to Brock about it and don't expect to be asked and I had no interest that it but that doesn't mean -- say -- Well obviously you'd think about it but I as they say I don't expect -- and I don't I'm not looking forward.
Let me ask -- question that applies to you and also applies to some of the other possible candidates for someone like Obama keeps talking about changing the way.
Business is done in Washington would it be a problem -- -- you -- any other quote Washington insider.
It might it might and that's certainly going to be a factor that he'll be looking at who best is that those suits the profile he's looking -- and what is his chemistry with the candidates how good -- president when he made those are the key questions he your she'd make.
Governor ridge if McCain asks you what we -- side.
If yes we will have a private conversation and you'll decide whether or not we had to tell you what we said.
I appreciate the question -- I think it's very important and I think as senator agrees with me.
It's a very important choice for both parties.
Both men are going to look at it they're very very carefully they have a deep bench both sides of the I'll.
And -- -- becomes appropriate to talk about it either from my perspective or senator Daschle's I guess we will but for the time being I'll leave that conversation up to my friend John at let me ask you.
According to the handicap -- is is that you're pro choice now back in 1980 when Ronald Reagan picked George H.
Bush who was pro choice.
He sat out we -- what I'll support the nominee of my party if McCain.
Word to say to you live like you on the ticket would you be willing to -- on that issue of abortion I will follow the dictate.
All of us Senator McCain the nominee of my party.
Well I believe what I believe and I've had that point of view before I got into elective office I've had it when I serve and I have it now and again number one we're not a one issue party never have never will be -- will be although it's very important to our base and it's very very important.
-- to Senator McCain he feels very very strongly about that issue.
And that's why any conversation we have relative to that issue -- the vice president into something that he and I have to discuss.
Before ever go down that path publicly but.
But I just want to -- because his that I believe what I believe are you saying you would not be willing to make I'm glad -- or I believe what I believe.
I mean -- I believe what I believe and I felt that way throughout my entire life obviously the vice president -- job.
Is to support once a decision is made whether it's on social issues economic issues -- diplomatic issues the position of the -- the United States.
But that doesn't mean that that you don't you don't share.
I believe that you had that your entire life but again those are very difficult and challenging questions when the vice president and the president disagree on a wide range of issues.
But the vice president job is to support the administration.
OK let's turn to something else that's wake up Obama reversed his pledge we've been talking about flip flops.
Today it has reversed his pledge to seek public financing in the general election as senator Daschle announced.
He will be the first candidate since Watergate to privately finance -- general election campaign that's it off this exchange.
-- public financing of presidential elections as it exists today is broken.
And we face opponents who've become masters at gaming this broken system is completely reversed himself and gone back not -- his -- to me.
Commitment that he made today.
That's the story.
Senator Daschle didn't Obama so for all those talk about principle is just another politician not at all Chris he has never said what he said was he wanted to preserve that option that's what he said.
And nobody said that's -- aggressively because he's out of -- me if I would aggressively pursue a deal and with the Republican -- and and they had meetings to talking about how we might resolve the dilemma of 520 sevens and the dilemma of the outside groups that have been so instrumental in influencing election but the Democrats -- yet to get on the Democrat of I think one asset that I think Chris it's really important to emphasize he didn't break his word on this and there is that.
That that assertion on the part of cantor and some -- that is not right.
But what what what what Brock has done.
Is create a new system across the financing that would be re done very very clear here if I could just finish and then -- -- -- -- record is very clear -- I I I just.
What I just want to say is that he's got a million and a half contributors.
The average contribute contributions -- eight dollars three million contributions.
That is the whole idea behind public finance and and and another idea is to reduce the the role of special interest some obvious he's done exactly that that senate governor Rick.
Well first off I'm I'm fascinated by the general approach this -- senator takes the Obama campaign takes.
They're willing to say one thing a year ago two years ago even a couple months ago and if circumstances change immediately and they go in another direction.
Whether -- some for NAFTA or I'm opposed NAFTA and now I will really reconsider my position.
I was for around.
Supported -- Reverend Wright -- and now gonna leave his church but the public financing one is the biggest and most intriguing on wall.
He says very very clearly I support public financing.
2007 he actually -- a pledge.
Our national news television broadcast he says I wouldn't.
I will work with John McCain actually have a public financing arrangement that that serves -- both very very well and then -- in mid June of -- wait.
I decides to take its own path is not only broken a fundamental reform.
Of the political system but he's also broken his word both.
A lot of other guys let me just -- -- just ask one question as senator Daschle I mean there's this talk about the 540 seven's did you know that the democratic 527 so far in this cycle.
Have outspent the Republican 520 sevens five more than two to one it's like a 120 million.
To sixty million so I don't know -- all this talk about Republican 520 seven's comes.
I didn't say Republican but I said five point seven well I know what Iraq or -- rockets actually said was that.
He believes that 527 -- ought to be.
Discouraged and he says he's a inadvertently either way there's no way they -- -- can't control they -- control of but -- but they can be discouraged and a couple of five point seven who have supported rocket actually closed down as a result of his.
His request so so but but but as long as that's a factor.
What good does that do to limit yourself on one side and be totally outspent as John Kerry was on the other four years ago.
That is the problem that's what he tried to.
Fact of the matter is -- is -- will not be totally outspent.
He made a rhetorical pledge and he's done that a lot he's a great great brilliant speaker he signed a pledge.
He said on national news.
I -- sit down with John McCain and -- work out an arrangement where public financing works for both of us and suddenly gone.
Well OK cause I got everybody agrees and -- I thought our position on -- fundamental reform within the political system and.
And we got a couple credibility but got a couple of minutes left and wanna go to one last area and in fact you brought it up -- governor ridge and that's the issue of trade.
What is a big difference on NAFTA and other trade deals let's watch.
Demanding unilateral changes.
And threatening -- -- brigade an agreement that is increased trade and prosperity.
Is nothing more.
Behind protectionist walls.
I believe in -- and I think that you know -- about Obama administration we're gonna have extraordinarily strong.
With Canada and Mexico.
Governor ridge is McCain.
Telling the that the workers in your state of Pennsylvania that NAFTA has been a good deal for him.
And that as president he will push more trade deals like -- I think as Senator McCain is saying that.
Our economic prosperity.
It -- depends and demands our engagement around the rest of the world.
That we need to understand it is a global marketplace that we need to provide our workers and small businesses large businesses the opportunity to compete successfully.
And that the best way to do that on the international stage is to promote aggressive free trade around the world at the end of the day.
At that will enable us to sustain our standard of living over the long term and create -- family sustaining jobs.
So he's signed to the workers in Pennsylvania some of them may have lost their jobs to Mexico NAFTA was a good deal and you'll see more now -- -- -- No well well what John understands very very clearly that in this brutally competitive international marketplace.
That their price may be some ill effects it effects on communities and some been some -- some workers.
And clearly that's why in addition to promoting free trade.
He has a very aggressive approach to deal with those who may.
-- their employment doing -- course of this.
This international engaged in an international economic engagement but make no mistake about it you put up protectionist walls.
You limit your ability to sell overseas the long term effect on jobs overall in.
Not only the commonwealth of Pennsylvania but around the country is absolutely disastrous.
By the way we've got a great facility here in Erie Pennsylvania.
-- -- locomotives -- best in the world.
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This is the bush McCain economic policy at its worst Chris.
What we're saying is simply this we've got to live.
If you trade agreement on that I -- my way through this campaign you know when he had time well I hope you'll give me a chance to respond -- First of all right more I think that is the very end George -- is his first heard -- is wrong and not have a preliminary read the governor originally and get approval for -- -- out a lot of contact -- -- got to give us senator read the last period of time -- -- but that's -- he and I talked a -- -- -- ahead.
First of all I think it's very important we enforce the agreements we have secondly John McCain doesn't get it when it comes to.
The importance of enforcing labor and environmental agreements and making sure that we insist on those and third it's critical that we put the kind of fairness into trade that we haven't had there is nothing protectionist about that he wants to make sure that working people are are are cared for understood to be the important focus of trade in the future and he'll do that is present senator Daschle -- governor -- and I -- them both right this time thank you both so much for coming in obviously lots -- to debate thank senator accurate to say to -- -- again soon.
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