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Limit the stadium was an enigma in many ways.
The driver of the car that went to both killings.
She gave the most.
Of the killings she was there she watched it happen.
She told of how -- chased Abigail Folger with a knife she told of how Susan.
-- Sharon -- -- watching all of it.
The second day they went back and grants they slept overnight the second day when Charlie said it was time for another.
Which she experience or whatever he said.
She was fair and took the wheel again and drove again to the scene of the -- on the killings and drove them back to the grants.
Under the law she was as culpable if not more helpful -- some of the killers because she went life.
She certainly was guilty of murder.
And it was because she was so necessary as a witness.
That she went free.
Was that fair.
Maybe because it was such a horrendous.
Story is such a horrendous crime.
-- you you know was as every prosecutor says use you don't find witnesses to a crime and tell.
And you know get angels with witnesses.
So you take what you can -- and apparently at that point Susan Atkins had become reluctant to go on the stand and paid enough they want to give her immunity and Atlantic Fabian was the last bet she was the last pants.
And she was their best and she turned out to be very effective.
Com on the witness stand and most of the time she -- cry for quite a boot time.
The picture of an all American girl.
And she was a very powerful winds.
Are -- generic.
What was his deal.
Lot of people said that Charlie Manson put out the word from his jail cell but he wanted to work slower in Los Angeles.
And they brought him Irving Comerica.
And -- Whether he was the worst they're not it was certainly a character and strange and colorful and certainly not the lawyer you would want death penalty case.
He had already been involved him.
Another big case the onion field case.
One of his.
Clients punched him.
That he was a man who had not his first career was not as a lawyer it was as a scientist of some kind.
And he had been brought up before on charges that he was incompetent as counsel in another case.
And that went up to the Supreme Court and they've ruled that he wasn't incompetent so.
He would always say he was the only lawyer in California.
Certified -- competent.
Long when -- for boasts.
Had no real focus he.
Portrayed Manson as Jesus.
His final argument was to read the Bible.
And the judge finally cut him off when -- got to the offensive.
If it wasn't so tragic it would be funny he had no home he slept in the press room some nights he slept in this car.
A very strange.
-- -- It's somewhere that he objected when and witness that you just -- because -- said it was hearsay you know.
You can you tell me and well I don't remember that but I remember that he always gave every objectionable.
-- like a list of them.
That you -- check you know irrelevant.
-- you know -- a million different objections.
And the yellow lawyers set at some point that he should -- numbers because he was gonna say every one of them.
And he had.
These odd things that he would become fixated on like.
The witness Barbara -- who had a problem with her vision she were big thick glasses.
And he was gonna prove that she didn't know which is talking about because she couldn't say it.
So he went back and decorum he would walk back further further further holding up fingers thing famous toy company fingers of my holding up this was supposed to be.
Demonstrative evidence it didn't quite fly with that it's.
And he -- he certainly advocated for Manson you have to say that for him he I think he believed in this client.
He kept saying -- wasn't guilty because he wasn't.
There and it wasn't -- the first night.
And the second I just let them got them there on the left.
And he said that this was not Manson's crime that everybody else was guilty and Manson was not.
But -- Eric was not -- the -- for this job.
And it his.
His attitude his behavior all of -- kind of contributed to what everybody said was a circus atmosphere -- the trial.
-- -- -- -- -- -- The girls were.
The girls and Manson were out of control during the trial -- and -- it was my first big tropical.
As a very young reporter.
And I thought oh well I guess it all trials they jump up and start yelling and screaming you know they'd done.
For much of the trial Manson and the girls were not even in the courtroom they had to be taken to an ante room to listen.
Feed because they they could not -- -- themselves in court.
Manson would shout out there's a very famous moment when he leaped across the council table to judge for the.
Pencil in his hand screen somewhere -- -- your head off old man.
He held up of the newspaper to the jury that said Manson guilty Nixon declares.
He was play -- role was worth the women they did whatever he told them to do basically and part of that was to jump.
Up and starts singing and chanting.
And they would chants it to the show -- -- the power he had over them they would -- The judges just the world and that it is just -- bid.
And that was sort of reflective of -- and -- sexist.
Of these girls and they were just girls that -- very.
They at one point they started chanting a Japanese.
Chant that goes with some religion.
You know they they tried to interrupt the Charles -- suspect curveball -- who was giving its final argument.
Susan leaped up and pushed his notes office -- It was they were not quiet.
And in the penalty Fay is it'll fell apart basically they had one good lawyer in the whole term.
When good defense -- who was Paul FitzGerald.
And he was the lead counsel and he had to tried to control everything keep everything under control but then.
On the day of the Los Angeles earthquake.
The girls called him in and told him they had decided to confess this -- during the penalty things.
They've gone through an entire trial claiming they were not guilty.
They had been convicted.
And now they want tell their stories it's assumed that Manson told them to.
Because by telling their stories they said that they were guilty and he was not that was -- thing.
And so each of them took the stand and they told the most harrowing stories.
Of what happened.
And Susan Atkins was probably the most memorable only because.
She told killing Sharon Tate and she said.
It was no big deal.
Two seconds was probably one of the most memorable because she says.
That city killing -- Sharon Tate was no big deal.
It was a happening she said you know an earthquake -- -- happening.
-- Ben Howland was asked.
If she was sorry for stabbing mrs.
And she says.
Sorry is a five letter word it won't bring back any -- It was.
-- and then they -- an ending to an incredible story.
We'll tell me and didn't talk about some things though but as far as what you and I were talking about earlier why people.
Why they'll never get out is it because.
We're told -- if that's your opinion and I'll never get out because.
The Manson women Tex Watson firm.
They will never get out of prison.
Most likely I can't say and that would never say never but it seems like never with these people.
The the killings were too horrendous they were too famous.
It may be that elsewhere in the world somewhere there has been a killing that's been worse.
But we have not seen in the splashed on the front pages of our papers.
Or seen it repeated on television over and over again.
They are the most famous killers behind bars right now and to let them out would be to.
Bring on a a new wave of publicity.
To let them out would be to bring on a new wave of publicity they would not be.
They would not be free anyway because they would be followed constantly by.
Probably by detectives and by the media.
They are now older women they could have some semblance of -- life on the outside.
There's no question that they've been rehabilitated.
That's not even a question.
Let's -- -- -- I think concern to college degrees.
Patricia -- closest has gone to college -- than even Susan Atkins went to college and imprisoned.
Day they have done work -- to help other prisoners they've done everything they can to show that they are ready for the real world.
But it doesn't matter because no one is going to forgive them.
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