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-- us now with a very different perspective on the upcoming lame duck session of congress.
Is Republican senator Jim -- one of the leading advocates for the Tea Party movement and he's in his home state of South Carolina.
Senator you just heard David Axelrod talk about this issue of the bush tax cuts and I want to explore.
The question of where there may be room for a possible compromise.
Would you accept a temporary extension.
Of all the bush tax cuts for the middle class as well as those making.
More than 250000 dollars a year.
Well good morning Chris and we need to remind everyone that we're not talking about cutting taxes were talking about keeping current tax rates the same.
And I don't think there's any room to negotiate -- raising taxes particularly on smaller businesses.
I hope we can get a permanent extension but if the president wants the compromise on -- to a three year extension.
What's important here Chris is that businesses know what they're tax rates -- are gonna be over the next few years so they can plan growth and plan and people.
If we keep things in a state of flux I'm afraid we're gonna continue to have a jobs problem.
But two or three year extension of all the tax cuts you'd be on board for.
Well that's all we can get out of the president and he is the president so.
Will work with him on that but I hope he doesn't come back with the idea that.
-- we're gonna raise taxes on 750000.
Small businesses as as he's been talking about.
And I think if he can work on our side of the ledger I think we might can work together.
All right let me talk about something -- -- you're dealing with your fellow Republicans do you plan to bring up a resolution to the house Republican conference on Tuesday.
In what your party would have greatest seek no earmarks.
In the the next congress over the next two years won the yet have the votes to pass that ban.
And two is that going to be a first cast as to whether or not.
The Republican establishment here in Washington gaps but the Tea Party movement was all about.
Well Chris this is not just a Tea Party movement in this is a 70% issue with the American people.
Right now we've got over 500 congressmen and senators who -- in Washington who think it's their job to bring home the bacon.
And that take sure -- the ball I mean we're not working on important national issues when we're trying to -- the local parking lot.
John Boehner by Eric Cantor.
The house leadership and and really I think everyone in the house.
Has gotten the message they're gonna push for an earmark ban all just about every new Republican freshman is pushing for the earmark ban.
I think will win the vote because I think the most of the Republicans in the senate have gotten very clear message from the American people that we need to stop wasteful spending.
Well you say that most people got the message apparently.
Not all of the top Republicans in the senate because a lot of them think that banning earmarks -- a mistake.
Here is what the senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell said just this way.
You could eliminate every congressional earmark -- usually no money is truly an argument about discretion.
Senator their argument is that congress is gonna -- appropriate whatever it's gonna appropriate when he says it's a matter of -- -- discretion as.
Who gets to decide where to spend some without money a and administration bureaucrat.
Or a senator from the state of South Carolina.
Who wants -- spend some of that money in his home state knows better.
According to senator McConnell where that money should be spent.
While I'm Mitch is a good friend.
On this issue we disagree.
You would -- spending come down dramatically if you took out all the self interest that and earmarks.
So I've seen for years Chris that you put a little bit of bacon and for all the congressman and senators.
They'll vote for a big bill they would other -- not vote for so.
It is a problem with spending we can as a congress restrict the president and how he spends money.
Make it competitive grants or block grants to states we don't have to give the administration a blank check and I think everyone in the senate knows that.
Well another one of your Republican colleague senator Jim in -- as.
I don't know -- -- -- basically says you're being hypocritical because he says over the years.
You have put in for air earmarks for multi million dollar road projects.
In the state of South Carolina.
Well I am a recovering near marker and thankfully their support groups now all of the country we column tea parties just.
But they've people realize as I did Chris that if he tried to play the system and reform and at the same time.
It doesn't work.
And four years ago I decided to go cold Turkey on this because I saw it was destroying our country we can't spend all our time trying to rob the federal treasury.
To get money for our states and congressional district.
And still be serious about the big issues like reforming our tax code and fixing social security and Medicare.
We've got to focus on the interest of the nation not on our parochial interest.
Well let's talk about a big issue outside discuss what David Axelrod the president's debt commission.
That co chairman came out with a plan this week to cut the national debt life's work trillion dollars.
Over the next decade and it was a mix of spending cuts to tax increases of 321 -- your fellow.
Deficit hawk senator Tom Coburn sad.
He'd be willing to accept on next and he understood that he couldn't get everything that he wanted to had to be a compromise.
Would you be willing to accept the necks of spending cuts and tax increases if you could -- -- site for trillion dollars out of the national debt.
Well I wanna see the whole report once it's done as you know Chris this is just a recommendation from the chairman.
To the commissioners.
Like Tom Coburn.
I want to get back to Washington talked to Tom and Paul Ryan and others on the commission to see what they're actually gonna recommend.
I think the important thing right now is to realize -- -- -- last four years we've increased.
-- the -- of our nation by over five trillion dollars.
It's not very credible to come back right now after adding hundreds of new programs.
-- all of these new government agencies.
Things like a cash for clunkers and bailouts and now all of all of a sudden say we've got debt we've got to cut social security and raise taxes.
If we need to cut spending we don't have a taxing problem in this country we already have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world.
We need to cut spending that Chris what we need to do is go back to 2008.
Spending levels immediately we need to repeal -- trillion dollar Obama care.
Take back the bailout money and what stimulus money hadn't been spent.
And then we -- need to look at the big picture of ways -- -- The federal role in areas like education and transportation let me -- back to back to the state.
Senator let me ask you had one very big area because last week you were asked about entitlements I -- -- put up on the screen what you sat.
We we -- not talking about cuts in Social Security if we can just cut the administrative ways.
We can -- hundreds of billions of dollars a year at the federal law -- level.
Cutting benefits to seniors is not on the table now now here's a question I have are you saying no cuts to seniors who are currently in the program.
Or are you ruling out cuts in Social Security benefits to people who -- ten or twenty years away from going on the program.
Chris first of all what we need to remind everyone -- -- security has not had a penny to our debt at this point.
As a matter of fact our country which show a lot more -- if we reported how much the government has borrowed from Social Security which is trillions of dollars right now.
I've probably done more work -- security reform than anyone in the senate.
-- put out proposals along with people like Paul Ryan in the house.
We don't change -- -- on anyone who's in retirement -- over 55.
But we restructure the program to give younger workers more choices allow them to take more of the savings on to themselves.
And we can actually reduce the cost of Social Security.
Without reducing benefits and that's what we need to get people to look at.
Rather than just cut raising taxes and cutting benefits to seniors.
We need to look at ways that we restructure Social Security so we give younger workers better choices and cut the dead over the long term but.
But if I may briefly sir that that the two co chairs of the debt commission say -- you can't make enough in savings.
And they're talking about again we're always talking here about people who were.
Ten or twenty or even more years away -- -- about raising the retirement age they talk about cutting benefits for people who were better off.
They talk about reducing cost of living increases.
Are you talking about.
Ruling out all of those things.
Again -- introduced legislation that shows we can cut the cost.
A -- security without all of these cuts that they're talking about.
This is what we've done for years Chris is we've we've cut benefits and raise taxes Social Security.
Without changing it from a political trip slush fund which is what it's -- for the last two decades.
To a real savings program so we need to look at real reform before we go straight to -- Social Security which people have paid for.
In start cutting things.
There other things that they did not consider like repealing Obama care.
In taking back money that the from you privatizing Fannie Mae privatizing General Motors.
All of these things need to be on the table before we start cutting.
-- programs like Social Security that people -- paid.
So senator got less than two minutes left I wanna get into more questions.
How do you feel about Michael Steele serving another term as chairman of the Republican National Committee.
Event that would be good or bad for the party.
Well Chris I wanna look at the choices frankly I think where we lost a few senate seats are ground game was not as strong as -- it could've been.
We we were actually outmanned on the ground in going into 2012.
We need a really strong leader for the Republican Party.
To match to get out the vote that we saw from the Obama machine last time and so -- appreciate.
Michael -- service but I'm looking for some alternatives right now I haven't decided who I would support.
But we need a strong national Republican organization.
To help organize the energy of the tea parties and any other citizen activism -- that we are seeing out there right now.
We need to make sure we have a lot of boots on the ground and in thirty seconds do you think that you could.
Got elected president in 2012.
What do you think you're too far to the right.
I don't -- -- for the ride it all I think this election shows that my views of balancing the checkbook or not radical at all.
Americans want -- to cut spending and -- and I think they wanna step return the role of that the federal government back to more of a limited constitutional role.
Right now I have no plans to run for the president I'm looking for someone.
Who'll have the courage and leadership abilities.
To come out and make the hard decisions that we need to turn this country away from a cliff.
Sedated and then we want to thank you as always for talking what doesn't please -- -- Thanks Chris.
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