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In the -- -- a break a terrorist a fourteen year US force officer air force officer criminal investigator.
Here's a detailed account of the of -- our troops took down the deadliest man in Iraq Abu Musab -- locality.
Our -- colonel Oliver North has the inside story.
7 June 2006.
The most wanted man Iraq is hunted down and killed by US surgical airstrikes.
The death of Abu Musab Al Zarqawi was a huge victory in the war against radical Islam.
That is what led to this success it's the most interesting part of the story.
The Jordanian born terrorists allegiance to bin Laden's al-Qaeda network and helped expand the terror groups footprint.
As the undisputed leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq -- how -- masterminded suicide bombing campaign.
Pushed Iraq to the brink of civil war.
A new book how to break it terrorists to kill the techniques used to bring him down.
Zarqawi traveled to Afghanistan to join the Mujahedeen fight against the Soviet invasion.
There he met and befriended them -- came to emulate yeah Osama bin Laden blinking.
-- -- Zarqawi was in the Jordanian prison.
Convicted of conspiring to overthrow his homeland's honor.
After his release in 1999.
Zarqawi was involved and intend to kill American and Israeli tourist -- blowing up the Radisson hotel on the line.
After the attacks of September 11 2001.
Zarqawi returned in Afghanistan.
This time to -- the Taliban and al-Qaeda against the US coalition.
Hatred for the western intensified.
After he was wounded by an American airstrike.
Zarqawi went to Iraq to record breaking it was well positioned to become a leader of radical Islamic militants when the US invaded in 2000 parade.
Zarqawi was so well known as a ruthless killer but the US offered at 25 million dollar reward for his capture.
It didn't work within a year he declared all out war against coalition forces and any Iraqis who cooperated with the US military the FB IC IA and State Department and put a bullseye answered how is that.
But flipping his confidants failed to produce results.
In the aftermath of media hype over -- -- -- new tactics had to be divides and Matthew Alexander.
Head of the interrogation team that turns our pal his old men against the master terrorist.
Thanks for the tech BC news the most dangerous and want to -- in Iraq was finally brought down.
Curious how the author of how to break -- terrorist Matthew Alexander you know the big debate has been how aggressive should those techniques -- What with a techniques that were used that led to his downfall and it might go against what many people would think would would be the case.
And that's true and the things that that allowed us to break Ortiz convinced.
Some of our colleagues associates to give him up.
We're techniques that weren't based on harsh methods they were based on the same things.
That we use and criminal investigations.
And techniques that we use every day.
Face and it's not that those harder methods don't necessarily work they don't really get to the desired result and that they engaging in dialogue which which we talked about in your book.
You actually can -- get better results.
Then you would then what might be even more intuitive way to go by doing.
Then that's true Yemen became irritated that you when you guy walked into interrogation -- going to sit down with -- and you're gonna build a relationship and report.
And -- respect for their culture and religion.
And eventually convince them to give you information -- doing enough of that or they're too many people using more harshly these are not getting results we need to get I think the transition is happening now I'm -- it's it's happened because people seem to successfully.
That we've achieved with the new techniques how affected they've been friends or colleagues that the perfect.
Example of how the new technique uses some of the things you actually spears made you -- you were very upset by some of the things you yourself.
Well I think you know I try not to focus on negative and the things that happen I Iraq.
There's been plenty of examples of torture and abuse.
Not not -- in all theaters.
And I think that point has been hammered to death.
I think what's important is we have to find a way to move forward pass that you know we know that portion of these didn't work.
And we're gonna go man and what I propose in my book is there's new interrogation methods that we can use that are more effective.
Hey let me ask you this -- job I'm all for -- awards.
Obviously the technique you're describing in the book was successful and I applaud you for -- it's great that you were able to adapt the new strategy and it was successful.
This was after Abu -- so this is an important time and almost for political reasons he needed to change tactics correct that's correct you know Abu -- It not only hurt us just from that.
-- -- of our image we have in the world it hurt us tactically because it helped recruit fighters for -- if they'd be you're youth are fundamentally against the use of what we describe his torture.
But I'm I'm not convinced that we're always going to have the time the availability the option to save lives.
If we're in a situation where we know that American soldiers lives are in danger.
And we need information quickly your technique wouldn't do what he is what it.
I disagree with that anything look at in the book I talk about the example -- again in -- hater who gave us it's our -- one person.
But that's correct then this is a very important -- I'm not diminishing it.
Why would -- waterboarding or any of these other tactics and techniques who's -- -- on this think about myself.
-- come under as somebody's taken me -- me an idea drowning I'll tell you anyone.
Well -- couple Alan Kohler is guilty I'll tell -- You the first the first -- Sosa is that if our opponents expect that you know meanwhile the interrogation that they expect they took -- me.
They expect this to use harsh techniques they're prepared that Al Kate Emanuel who -- he tells them to expect that.
However when they walk in and then they are very surprisingly nice you're dealing with little effect right -- throw them off guard because an author game and it's more effective you know you can also take example Abu zubaydah.
Who is in Guantanamo Bay was treated very harshly by interrogators he told them.
Hey you know he's the right interrogation techniques I might I might cooperate -- as many said -- and -- I don't.
This is I think this is an imperfect science and you think you'd agree with me and I think there might be appropriate applications in different situations but the fact that you were able to put this together and it worked.
God bless you.
But I do think there's going to be times we had to be harsher that's an outsider's view never did never wore.
No and in fact I don't ever say that I don't say that tortured doesn't work it does work on occasion but what I say.
Is that they're now better ways to get to -- -- good luck with the local with the back.
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