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-- guess who served as secretary of state secretary of the treasury and White House chief of staff ladies and gentlemen joining us from Houston.
Secretary James Baker mr.
I called you a senior statesman for a very genuinely good reason.
You you serve in that role in that role I wanna ask you about an issue that's been very hot this week and that is America's relationship with Israel.
It appeared that the president.
Somewhat the -- from my perspective anyway I'd like to get yours seem to have -- the prime minister of Israel when he came.
And visited and seems to be very unhappy about the Israelis building in Jerusalem your perspective.
Well my perspective on that governor resist that who who we first of all I think everybody needs to understand that I don't care -- -- have a Republican administration or democratic administration in power.
We will always be there for Israel Israel -- our close ally.
We have an affinity where terror from this from a cultural standpoint from a security standpoint from the democratic standpoint.
So regardless of the fact that there are.
Periodically tensions in the relationship.
The United States will always be there in terms of Israel's security and that's where -- we have a democratic present or Republican press.
Yeah frankly I.
Frankly let me say I I think that what the president is is doing now is -- acceptable and appropriate and let me tell you why.
When vice president Biden went to Israel.
He was greeted with the announcement of a very large settlement.
-- ever since the founding of the State of Israel.
Settlement activity has been against the policy of the United States again where there was a Republican administration or democratic administration.
And the reason for that governor is because.
Creating facts on the ground four closes the opportunity.
To negotiate peace through an exchange of land for peace under UN resolution to 42 -- 338 and that's the only real bases.
You're ever gonna get peace between Arabs and Israelis.
But since Oslo.
We really haven't seen that work very effectively so -- are those of us I consider myself one of them.
Who who wonder whether the idea of land for peace is very effective visual doesn't have much -- to start -- When they give it up it doesn't seem that they get a great deal piece from it.
Well but governor what we're talking about the land for peace should not giving up Israel's plan -- giving up occupied lands occupied Arab land and and I would suggest to you that the only borders and Israel has -- secure.
Are her borders with Egypt and Jordan.
Where she has negotiated.
On the basis of land for.
And when we when administration's.
Again where they're democratic or Republican.
Suggests that there ought to be a negotiation of land for peace they -- not talking about a piece of paper.
They're talking about a secure peace and meaning to go any agreement of course we'll have to have.
Very intrusive elements of -- verification inspections so -- to make sure that it is a secure peace.
They're there have been you know we do have what we do have a lot of interest in that part of the world.
-- -- one of the interest we have -- mention making sure that their stability there.
That's why we're working.
-- and -- -- American administrations.
Have opposed the idea of the development of -- nuclear weapon by Iran.
We what we worry about that both from the standpoint of Israel's security.
Am from the standpoint of the security of our Arab allies in that region and those are Saudi Arabia Egypt Jordan and the gulf state.
And I wanted to -- to mention -- I'd love to talk about his role for for a long long time but I need to move on to Iran.
You mentioned -- though the possibility of of Iran that they clearly have the objective of the developing nuclear capacity and I don't think it's just to generate electricity for.
For Iran but don't you see a difference between the Iranian leadership in the Iranian people the Iranian people and -- -- long been our ally the Iranian government is not.
That's correct absolutely and and that's why.
I think we're when you talk about leaving the military option on the table and I think we are always do that -- As a diplomat as secretary of state I'll always family was easier to.
Be -- successful diplomat when you're negotiating.
With a male fifth so you always leave the military.
Option on the table.
But but again it.
-- to take two to utilize a military strike that would not prevent Iran from developing a weapon but just delay it.
Which many authorities suggest would be the case.
All you do by -- that is strengthened the hardline regime.
And you and you.
Hurt as a matter of fact of people in the -- we need -- we need support those reformers we need to support him in many ways through it.
Broadcast of radio on.
Programs in there and Farsi through.
A whole host of other means including covert activity.
The secretary I want to thank you very much for joining me today it is an honor to have you with us I thank you for the -- doing -- through the break -- institute at Rice University.
And for again the senior statesmanship that we've brought to this country --
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