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Let's bring our panel Steve Hayes of course -- -- Henderson of the Washington Post and syndicated columnist.
Charles Krauthammer a lot of -- people are ready Charles talking about North Korea.
And what's happening the USS George Washington the aircraft carrier battle group heading that way off the Korean Peninsula the Pentagon saying that they had already planned.
Training exercises with South Korea -- announcement just happen to come after this artillery bombardment by North Korea.
What about the tension here.
And what's next.
I guess everyone's waiting to see how crazy Pyongyang is because the artillery attack makes no sense at all.
It doesn't look as if North Korea is anxious for an all -- renewal of the Korean War they would lose in the regime would be wiped out.
You never know because of the struggle internally.
But I I I think I hope we can safely say that it's great to have aircraft carriers.
It sends a statement and the wonderful part of it is.
It always takes at least a couple of days before it arrives.
She can actually think about stuff to work with your allies.
Develop a plan if if there's going to be a -- as the best example of that was actually.
When Argentina in the invaded the Falklands in the early eighties and and migrate to Thatcher dispatched a flotilla.
With no idea what to do we took two and a half weeks and at the end of that two and half weeks she actually had a plan.
I'm I'm sure we have all kinds of contingencies we have these maneuvers -- already designed.
To do with the south.
But it sends a message it shows our seriousness and it's a warning the US is prepared.
If the north Koreans want to go all out to actually.
To to resist -- with the South Koreans.
This is serious topic -- -- says get this stupid icon out of the lower right corner it's just distracting.
Doug what does this there's some new addition to review she ran we we do it -- and we're -- with him.
-- -- this is serious deal the administration seems that they are just anxious to tamp it down to make sure it doesn't get out of control yet.
The pressuring of China doesn't seem to be happening is perhaps as much as one would thought to.
Yeah I mean it's true I mean -- chorus of them privately you know ask China to step up and respond to this and actually condemning I think the most China has done now is said.
You know beer beer and then they want you -- -- further cooperation further talks with this -- it is it is troubling I mean it.
Everyone sort of -- North Korea -- petulant child election throw to temper tantrums.
In it seems like we can't put -- put him in the corner -- corner for a little while -- to -- I -- what's next they have this.
Obviously internal succession struggle going on you wonder what's gonna be you know.
What's gonna be next from -- that's the problem -- made -- very aggressive moves over these last a couple of months going back until the spring with this.
South Korean ship and so it's it's very troublesome.
Steve we've always bat as a country that China would be more interest did not seeing the collapse of the regime because the refugees.
That would stream from North Korea into China.
And that they would want to actively engaged here to try to prevent North Korea from doing these crazy effects.
But today we hear from the Chinese Foreign Ministry that.
They are they find it troubling but that's about it.
Yeah and look and -- -- too.
This has been known for quite awhile but this latest in series of incidents.
I think exposes too flawed assumptions that have really.
Guided American policy -- North Korea for the past really.
More than two decades one is that Kim Jong Il can be talked out of nuclear weapons he can't it's not gonna happen we need cast that aside and start with a different assumption he wants nukes the only way to get -- -- to force him.
Do you hopefully mean multilateral efforts.
Stick tape to to keep him from getting them the second.
Is that China and the United States shares security interests when it comes to North Korea we don't necessarily China prefers the status quo.
And to to whatever -- -- he would come with putting real pressure on North Korea what the United States needs to do now.
He's flip the formulation so that the status quo becomes less comfortable.
For China there are a number of ways to do this actually.
One of the things that I think is important to recognize is that the Chinese have a pattern of not responding to North Korean provocations where after the sinking of the -- -- which killed 46.
Seen in China said.
The you know the United States -- this heat of the United Nations has huge investigation.
Everybody in the world agreed that this that the ship had been sunk by -- North Korean torpedo and China.
Wouldn't agree with that basic assessment and essentially got North Korea's back there's one -- 61 small glimmer of hope.
In this dispatching of the USS Washington for these exercises.
After the -- on incidents in China asked us not to do this and we -- we say okay we won't because you've asked us.
That's we know the time doesn't like this.
This time we're doing it we're going ahead with it whether that means that we stiffen -- spine I hope it does but.
I think the fact that we announced that this was pre plan that suggests that maybe not.
It's as much -- show for North Korea's -- is perhaps for China I had hopes Scott Jensen from Wisconsin.
Steve's home state.
He's often -- -- -- -- amounts and types and Scott asks didn't North Korea do a military attack.
Before the last changing of the leader in North Korea to make it somehow.
Easier for it to do that they gave distraction as they hand off to the younger -- -- -- Well that's probably the best explanation for why this happened.
That there's a crisis inside there are factions competing.
And the ones in charge who want to show how in charge that they are how they control the military.
And how much -- day -- I don't know defend the homeland.
That's number one the other is there aren't really true direction on extra -- they always are.
But apparently they really looking at.
Who widespread famine here.
Fade which has been essentially cut off almost.
20 -- of the US Japan and so in the last couple of years.
So this is a way of getting our attention sucking us into talks once again.
Are offering to slow -- and nuclear program that's probably why they showed us uranium facility.
And then getting a deal where they get all kinds of goodies.
I I think the one area here that is misunderstood is that China.
Pyongyang to stay intact it wants this client regime.
First of all consistent thorn in our recited it keeps us distracted secondly -- worries about the refugee from the lastly.
It knows what happens if the regime collapse it'll be like -- east Germany.
Could collapse it'll be one country like Germany is we -- be -- western oriented country.
South Korea will take over and what it doesn't want strategically for the next.
Decades is the united peninsula with a strong US ally -- very strong economy in control of the whole peninsula.
And -- -- border.
With China that's -- strategic nightmare and that's why I think.
They will never agree to any steps that will.
Threatened -- the regime in North Korea.
Unless we present them -- -- -- alternative -- the only alternative I can.
Imagine there's a nuclear Japan.
John from buffalo says near your class act I enjoy seeing you on fox -- -- yeah if you.
You know I use the analogy yesterday with the wand near that done.
You know a kid who is throwing -- tantrum.
Wants the lollipop and the parent has to put his foot down at some point.
But it seems in North Korea's case we often give them a -- -- to shut him up.
Are we gonna -- not give on the -- system.
Well I mean it.
No seat and mediate and anymore I think that the movement -- with that we you know with this with -- with a chip in in these demonstrations.
These practice exercises that the administration says had been planned all along does seem to suggest a different.
A different tactic a different approach and a kind of stiffening of the of the spine.
Is as Stephen said but you know what I feel like it was almost like we have these conversations about North Korea like every four months like like clockwork.
And it's the -- -- -- practice like running Dangerfield yes exactly and it's the same sort of thing I mean unfortunately people die have died in these attacks.
I'm if you look at some of that video -- the destruction of of of that island and fourth and four people have died.
You know there there has to be some sort of of change coming.
Now see Jeff in North Carolina this is worse Hillary Clinton been in this Korean conflict.
Engaged at the State Department said that she was had not called China -- -- yet you have and I -- thought that would have been her first phone call it that the -- questions and interest in question because the Obama administration said yesterday.
Told reporters yesterday look.
We are not gonna reward bad behavior we are not gonna rush back to the six party talks which is what North Korea wants.
Acting up I don't necessarily considered not rewarding bad behavior a tough policy I would rather punish bad behavior which is the way -- nephew -- -- that allow top analogy.
It would be.
Take indicating giving him a spanking -- you know a serious -- or something I do not spank -- but I but I would I would if you can always get out of here.
Control his name auto -- and Johnnie LK I would probably speculative.
-- -- What if Europe has a nuclear weapons.
And then what -- do different idea.
It's a little bit the the the internal versus external question I think is actually fascinating because you're you're hearing a lot about the succession issue and then that the possibility that this was.
Provoked or prompted some way back questions about succession I think that's I think it's entirely possible we heard that back with the chinoy incidents we've heard that with the number these provocations to test the missiles what have you.
But you know Kim Jong Il may be crazy it's it's entirely possible that he's crazy there's ample evidence to suggest that he is but.
I don't think that the -- if he's behaving.
He's irrational at all the -- that he's behaving is entirely rational idiot and too little changed its immediate -- -- one every single.
Time he has he has defeated the United States and nuclear diplomacy for two decades he throws a fit.
We restart negotiations we usually offer some kind of generous concessions we threaten to tighten sanctions on occasion we do that.
And then we basically ignore him for awhile as -- as in me says and then we we start over and he he gets what he wants the restart these negotiations.
Charles on this a broader question frank in South Carolina asks god doesn't.
Don't -- actions of the last fifteen years tell that diplomatic talks and sanctions don't work with rogue nations and leaders.
And don't we have a history that that suggests that.
It does and it of those same story as has happened with the Iraq.
You cannot trust through word of states there are a rogue states that are determined.
To remain in sort of eternal come back with you.
And like the Iranians for example who call you the great satan and openly say they want to destroy your interest.
And ultimately even you.
In the world every negotiations under those circumstances is a phony.
Because that they will they are obviously are achieving the Iran isn't she -- the north.
Koreans have cheated so what you have to do is if it used to operate in directly in.
In the case of north of -- career the only key here is China.
It controls the food in the fuel.
Going into North Korea and we have not sort of recommends -- Steve is right we've operated under the illusion.
That we in the Chinese share a strategic interest here and I think it is a diametrically opposed strategic interest.
We want ultimately of the regime.
A collapse of this regime it's the only answer in the end we don't want a war.
And it can be reformed so its collapse or nothing and the Chinese have a very strong national as a strategic interest.
In retaining and as a client state that's is sort of that's the roadblock.
Professor simple it's a simple thing and people have ignored -- for two decades them including the bush administrator under the Bush Administration.
Had this backwards in the second term and and I would argue in fact that the Obama administration.
In the first twenty months -- had that same policy now then the Bush Administration did it in its second term and they called strategic patience cause strategic neglect.
Neglect whatever you wanna call it but the Obama administration basically said look we're not pay much attention to -- and one thing they didn't do for which I think they deserve some credit.
He is they didn't do they didn't have that the same kind of -- strategy to head towards Iran which we could call strategic crumbling or whatever you wanna say.
They ignore North Korea and it I think it work.
I -- back to the tantrum.
You ignore the three year old has -- the -- much more effective.
I really everything back to the crater about really do good work why is that a lot -- -- -- professor Randall worry is that.
And you deny him lunch dinner and breakfast at fifth and never ever get him as well hippies became known -- he can also.
The American German professor Randall says as long as China owns our debt Washington -- do nothing with North Korea.
New topic will will the lame duck congress accomplish.
Much there's a poll right down here at the bottom screen.
26% of you say extend tax cuts 48%.
We have to have a continuing resolution -- December 3 in order for the government keep moving.
And keep operating so that will have to happen next week.
-- out there is a long list of other things that democratic leaders have put on the agenda.
Repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell the dream act.
We think that's very can -- the most important is the continuing resolution and the extending of the current tax rates were the Bush's attacks -- -- that.
It's hard to see how anything gets done here I think -- despite the looming.
Tax cut this adding.
The tax finish I mean I think all of these other things have been loaded up you know whether -- Don't Ask Don't Tell or even the start treaty already dream act a lot of these are -- Earned -- just seem to be demo might fall on.
And I think in in some ways and the GOP are obviously much more strength and they'll come in -- in in the senate.
-- with fourteen members fourteen -- -- I.
I guess six members more than they had before and of course controlling the house it's just hard to see what they -- -- on in the bush tax cuts.
Maybe doesn't look like when everybody.
On the right wanted to look like in terms of extending all these tax -- probably not but then -- into the real world.
Block in just doing -- middle class tax cuts and and then.
You know having Democrats having to -- you know the question of room with him raising taxes -- seeing it seemed like the administration of the president was saying.
You know what I'm gonna hand this over to congress again to work out the deal.
On extending the bush era tax cuts it you know keeping the tax rates the same.
Which is what he did with stimulants.
With health care he kind of handed the keys over to the democratic leaders and and didn't really benefit from that scenario is he doing that again.
Well if he does he gives -- -- that Democrats still in control of the house.
Where the speaker of the democratic speaker has said openly she will not.
Except an extension of the cuts for the upper income folks.
Which means -- completely -- -- she doesn't even have the votes in her own caucus even before the changeover in congress.
So nothing happens in the house of the senate and we get.
A really significant hike in taxes across the board everywhere and generally want.
It's hard to imagine why the president would want that he knows that.
When the house returns when you have the -- in new congress that will be reversed.
In some way Emanuel because a lot of disruption it's not gonna help the economy.
Are going to be a huge.
Blow to the economy but why would you want that in the middle of a bad recession it will make him look bad I'm not sure what their strategy is why not.
We only know -- on the CNN end up -- can end up with a temporary extension of all the cuts for a couple of years who knows how many years despite whatever game of chicken comes out on November -- it's like the Arab Israeli negotiators everybody knows what it's gonna look like in the end nobody knows.
How to get there but here we know how to get there -- the president has to do was to say I'm for.
I know a two year extension of all the cuts and we'll debate it afterwards but he hasn't done that.
A few people wanna talk about Tom DeLay American Arizona -- start -- Tom DeLay.
Money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering prosecutors said he uses political action committee to illegally funnel.
Corporate donations in the Texas legislative races in 2002 through a money swamp.
His attorney and delay say they will immediately appeal this verdict.
He could face life in prison.
Former house majority leader -- -- there.
He denies all of these charges but.
Fairly big deal Steve.
And this -- jury coming down.
Yeah I mean it sounds like a fairly big deal I will tell you this was a total surprise me I think it was a surprise to most people who follow politics on -- -- Davis is very few people.
Police people that I was talking about anticipated this -- -- -- there have been questions swirling around Tom DeLay for for quite awhile some of them.
I think probably legitimate.
Many of them politically motivated and not legitimate and the question -- and I don't have an answer to this is.
-- how did this happen at what are the charges one of the details and you know are they supportable.
There then yeah I did this I mean we -- I would turn it inside in the makeup room and about the surprise this is the surprise of this news -- this this stiff.
Well penalty that he might -- -- potentially life sentence.
And we are also talking about his.
Sub par performance on Dancing With The Stars how.
It all comes back and then yes he has to life.
And I mean it's you know we talk a lot about funding campaigns.
We talk a lot about money flowing into races.
This is a 190000.
Dollars he denies that it it was a money swap but here's a jury that spent nineteen hours.
And they came back -- turning guilty verdicts.
With this charge that has a stiff stiff penalty as I -- There was one set of charges that were.
He was found not guilty on some time ago.
And I also would confess to with the passage of the time I do not remember the details.
Of these particular charges is only so much room in my head and I put that on neutral for awhile.
Didn't expect it a verdict this afternoon so I'm not sure exactly what element of the speech to charges is involved.
Look on these things you have a long history of these accusations and and and and people found guilty in which they are reversed.
Because these are extremely arcane issues they can often be interpreted either way you could have a jury deciding it one way -- having into reversed.
I don't think there's is that all the end of the story I think there's going to be appeals.
And I if I had to guess I would guess and ultimately he'll be.
Exonerated or at least two win over the V overturned because of the nature and sort of the intricacies of these charges.
Yeah just some context and put the -- box again the indictment have been in September of 2005.
Then the house GOP conference to remove delay from his leadership post as house majority leader member that.
House Republican Conference rules said no member could hold a leadership position facing.
Criminal indictment he stepped aside temporarily at the time with the idea that this would all be cleared up very quickly.
And it was not -- and in 2006 he resigned from the house so later that year.
That created the leadership back and forth where John Boehner rose to the occasion.
And now of course is the speaker to be the rest is history it.
Delay stepped down in June 2006.
We're told the presumptive house speaker John Boehner has declined comment.
On the delay verdict tonight so we'll follow this and -- worked.
Where it goes but it's in a serious charge obviously for Tom DeLay -- as we wrap up here.
Something ahead of Thanksgiving.
What is everybody thankful for we have a lot of questions about that.
Steve let's start with you.
I feel like I'm recycling.
My gratitude from last year but the fact is I remain thankful most thankful for the things that I said last year saw use them again today.
I'm thankful for my family my wife and my three kids.
And I am.
Beyond words for what our soldiers sailors Marines are doing overseas and can't thank them enough for it I'm also -- for the Green Bay Packers -- -- streak and their.
That's -- -- here sometimes.
-- what I -- -- they passed to us second does Stephen I am I incredibly thankful for my family.
In my friends in the community that I've been able look.
Built here in Washington I moved here about two years ago and -- -- just.
-- -- -- -- -- -- good community of folks here both in the political world reporters and and and family and friends some very thankful.
On -- and also thankful that the Duke Blue Devils -- basketball team is on number one.
Homeland there -- just a grown in the control room.
Her own age I mean you know that came through it and getting -- right everybody loves haters we're thankful to have you on the panel -- Charles.
-- -- I was last June -- same question.
He creates a lot of columns -- -- comes.
I mean he's.
He's been a very is using present as we have often said on the air he's given us apart from ideology just his ambition a fire -- of.
News I mean it is -- you know the late ninety's were quiet time people who -- about a lot of peripheral stuff that private activities of -- president which I found sort of not exactly where I could.
Medicine in order to become a writer so I'm grateful that there aren't really major issues at stake.
You essentially had over the last two years of great debate.
On the nature of our democracy -- the relationship between citizen and government which you know people arguing about how partisan.
-- this -- all this is I think it's been a great debate I think we've had a wonderful.
Argument the left in the right -- engaging each other and I think is extremely healthy in the long run.
And I would -- -- won the thing also which is I'm grateful that my parents many years ago we left Europe.
To come here in time for from my birth on the only.
One of my family whose native American -- my my parents are naturalized my late brother was naturalized American but I was born here.
And it's -- great gift of life two I mean one of what is it was 6% of the world population.
And to be a citizen of this country is to win the lottery yeah there's no place -- -- one would want to be it's the reason.
All the immigrants and the refugees on the rats and whatever oceans they are always.
Coming here and need is a priceless gift for which I'm grateful every day.
Heather in Massachusetts says she's thankful for this panel which helps me understand the events of the day every day.
That's good stuff.
I'm thankful for obviously my family but also the Special Report -- because the staff and the people who work here on not believable.
We are the number one political news show on television.
Thanks to all of you and all the people who work here a minute every day it is a big big process put -- -- show together.
And I'm thankful for all of that.
I'm also thankful to be in this seat.
It'll be two years January 5 that I took over for Brit Hume and this is an amazing place to watch history.
As this in Washington has been so amazing story.
Of the century really covering this government covering them.
Covering our troops overseas it's been a real privilege so I'm thankful for all that -- so thankful that.
Working and of 730 and I'm gonna be heading to Thanksgiving with the family I'm gonna Chicago with the in laws.
Gone through the airport.
I'm going to had any get a little -- no.
Still no I can't bring up the -- -- -- -- Most importantly I am I thankful for all of the viewers who have come here and droves in the past couple of years.
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