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Haven't seen the photos well there are many doubters in the Muslim world that -- -- said there's no proof of bin Laden's death.
There's an explosion of conspiracy theories seems to me that I heard that that they kinda have to do this.
Let me ask you this I don't know I think it's pretty clear now.
That discovering who this courier was.
Through the strong interrogation techniques.
That war employed during the Bush Administration.
Without which this day would never occurred so can't waste.
It seems to me we need to re -- this debate about about enhanced interrogation.
Techniques in this country is that a good idea -- Think it's it certainly is a reasonable idea I -- is it correct that and it's CIA director Panetta -- Jay indicated.
That -- one of the individuals who provided important intimidation.
What had in fact been waterboarding yes is that correct yes well.
That's my understanding and I think that anyone who suggests that the enhanced techniques let's be blunt water boarding.
I did not produce an enormous amount of valuable.
Isn't facing the proof that the facts are the general Mike Hayden came -- he had no connection would waterboarding anybody.
He looked at all the evidence and concluded that a major fraction of the intelligence in our country.
On al-Qaeda came from individuals the three only three people who were water board.
O'Leary people right and and that led to the information of the nickname of the courier.
And in this by the we've had this for years and this was being pursued during the bush years the -- name was found he was eventually identified.
And through eavesdropping we were able to locate him and then locate bin Laden.
But that brings up the issue of black sites enhanced interrogation rendition all -- things we discussed we would not have had the success.
And I -- these are the very policies -- -- the president yesterday I think it was a gutsy move that he decided to go winning -- and so we can have identification.
But if -- but if he had had his way and Democrats -- -- -- we wouldn't have had this intelligence are.
You're exactly right.
It I also agree that he made the right decision -- rather than using cruise missiles or drones.
To protect the the facility I think using the seal teams are going in there and actually getting him physically.
Identifying him knowing that that's what's happened.
And being certain about it was exactly the right call I'm told there was some confusion today and on some programs even one on fox I think.
Suggesting that I indicated that that no one was who was water boarded at Guantanamo.
Provided any information on this that's just not true what I said was no one was water boarded at Guantanamo.
By the US military -- that no one was was was water boarded the Guantanamo period.
Three people were water boarded by the CIA.
-- -- from Guantanamo a little later brought to Guantanamo.
And -- in fact as you point out.
The information that came from those individuals was critically important.
Last question does George W.
Bush President Bush deserve as much credit for what happened Sunday as as President Obama.
Well in the -- current administration would not have had these kinds of intelligence that was critically important.
Nor would they have had this special forces in the numbers.
With the equipment with the training with the authorities and with the experience.
We increase their budget I think four -- During the time I was in the Pentagon.
We increase the the numbers in the special -- special operations people be -- -- believed by about 50%.
There equipment's been improved.
Those capabilities to deal -- a symmetric threats were developed during the George W Bush Administration.
And let there be no doubt about it so we give credit to the current administration for making the decisions they made.
And and clearly the Bush Administration is the one that.
Developed then -- -- and nurtured those capabilities all right Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld thanks for being with us sir thank you Sean and coming up should the White House for --
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