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And hello again from Fox News in Washington.
The daring raid that took out -- Osama bin Laden raises new questions about where we go now when the war on terror.
We'll talk with -- former Vice President Cheney and a few minutes but first president Obama's national security advisor Tom -- Mr.
O'Donnell and welcome to FOX News Sunday Christmas to be here let's start -- iconic photo of the situation room as the bin Laden raid at.
Was going down there you are in the middle of that -- what was happening at that moment and were you watching the -- Orioles surveillance or were you also getting video from the commandos on the ground.
I say a couple things in response -- first of all life I really can't get into exactly what we were so what we were recent receiving.
Technically but we're able to monitor the operation and not in real time -- received briefings from.
Admiral bill -- from the operational commander from Leon Panetta over the F over at the CIA per second.
I'm not exactly sure what we were monitoring at -- at this very moment but I have look at the picture obviously since then.
And clearly everybody was deeply concerned about the success of the mission and the safety of our operators the president visited.
With -- special forces operation yesterday at Fort Campbell and received a minute by minute briefing yesterday from the operators not from the -- -- in the operated yesterday.
On every minute of the operation from the point they left Afghanistan to the point that they.
Returned to Afghanistan after the assault on on the compound in the killing of Osama bin Laden.
As I look at it now -- -- the you know I've I've worked for a three presidents.
My eyes go to the president.
Who made this decision and we ask a lot of her presence.
And this has been a project.
The hunt from Osama bin Laden and go across two administrations and indeed many of the same people -- the Bush Administration.
On this work with me today and work on this project.
And I look at the president and you know a week -- Thursday.
The president received his last briefing on this.
And the option for from the table and as you can predict that there were disagreements and that was divided council.
There's the end of the day we ask our president to make that decision is the president to -- in the situation room stands up.
Walks across that colony by the Rose Garden that -- also very well in -- -- residents and makes that makes that decision and that's that's where I focused because.
He had obviously -- that -- this through very rigorous process.
And the decision was on his shoulders.
Let's let's go in kind of a quicker fashion through some of the issues that have come up since then the Navy -- found -- trove of information yes.
Inside the compound computer's hard drives DVDs.
From what you know so far does it contain actionable intelligence hard leads.
On either al-Qaeda operations or personnel.
Still looking at a at this point the size is quite notable it's the largest cache of intelligence information gotten from senior terrorists that we know.
To give you a sense of the size is the size of a small college library.
-- need to be translated it'll need to be assessed -- need to be reviewed and we're in the process of doing that.
We released some evidenced today appointed to a very important point -- -- -- wanna get to other issues that but I think it's important for your viewers to know them.
It really does -- the significance of the -- and the assault last Sunday that Osama bin Laden was not just days it's a symbolic leader.
In fact he had operational and strategic -- that he was playing and it's clear.
And the information we've been able to -- to date.
But you talk about that information has anyone who's been caught has any operation been stopped because of the information you picked up last don't really wanna comment on that that that that at this point.
The administration released video this weekend of bin Laden watching himself on television.
And apparently dying his beard during some of his appearance is everything that shows I think it shows -- attention to his own image.
And attention to the propaganda aspects of the al-Qaeda operation I think that's -- insurance.
Since the right CIA director Leon Panetta and former counterterrorism.
Chief Jose Rodriguez -- site.
Enhanced interrogation including waterboarding provided some of the information that led to that raid on the bin Laden come -- I -- -- well I'll -- -- this way I have national security by you're not gonna comment on specific pieces of intelligence gotten from specific sources I can't tell you this.
It's important I think.
An operation like this -- a result of hundreds of pieces of information and intelligence over time.
I can represent to you that no single piece of intelligence.
Led to the result that we saw.
I think I understand that -- but what I'm asking you is did any of the information any of the fruits of enhanced interrogation.
Was not part of the jigsaw puzzle or it doesn't really work that way though right -- -- -- it did it works in terms of and a whole mosaic of information being put together and we get information from detainees.
From human sources from technical sources from -- the liaison services that all come together and I wanna say this is very important.
This was the work of intelligence professionals I said over multiple administrations.
And it was a real success.
And what it shows I think to the world and I'm monitor obviously -- reaction these kinds of things around the world right and the message -- the world -- -- one.
But the United States does what it says it's going to do even if it's across a couple of presents -- and most importantly.
But more importantly that we have the capability to do so in on this this being a national.
The first person the president called when he found out.
When he was informed.
By me that our forces were safely back in Afghanistan with President Bush.
We'll stipulate that it will all stipulate that bin Laden was a monster but why it.
-- -- shooting an unarmed man.
In the face.
Legal and proper.
While enhanced interrogation including waterboarding of a detainee under very strict controls and limits why is that over the line.
Well let's get -- to talk first about the first half of that number of the statement that you -- again the president met with the operators yesterday in Fort Campbell Kentucky and hear the facts.
We are at war with -- okay.
Osama bin Laden is the Mir commander indeed the only leader of al-Qaeda -- -- 22 year history.
This with his residence and operational.
Our forces entered that compound and were fired upon.
And the pitch black it's an organization.
That -- -- And suicide vest and booby traps and all manner of other kinds of destructive.
The -- -- -- -- -- never let me just that -- my point there.
I'm not asking you why it was okay you know to shoot Obama of Osama bin Laden I fully understand the threat and I'm not second guessing the seals right what I am second guessing is if that's okay.
Why can't you do waterboarding why can't you do enhanced interrogation.
Both Khalid Sheikh Mohamed who was just is that an operator as you saw that live because it well our judge.
-- is that -- not not consistent -- -- with our values not consistent.
And not necessary in terms began the kinds of intelligence that we.
-- shooting and Lawton in the head is consistent with our values.
If that we are war with Osama bin Laden we're -- -- -- -- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was a military operation right.
It was absolutely appropriate for the -- to take the action -- -- a -- us forces to take the action.
That they took in this military operation -- -- military -- had to get information.
On college from college checked my homeless.
What is it was inappropriate to get information -- -- say that it was again they are valued is Sheikh Mohamed I think for the techniques or something's gonna policy debate about our administration made our views known that it.
But let me ask you about one other aspect of -- -- move on the Obama Justice Department reopened to an investigation.
About half dozen CIA agents who were involved in interrogation after 9/11.
Raising the question in this have been -- this has been a closed investigation was reopened by your Justice Department.
On the issue whether or not they were using undue force we talked earlier with Vice President Cheney who says that investigation.
There's an -- questions.
-- interrogation and you certainly have -- weather wherever where however it came with interrogations is such a key part of this raid.
Why not and that investigation.
Well what I said was is that interrogations of one part of days a mosaic -- hundreds -- piece of information over time to build an intelligence case that's that's I think it's very it was just not the CIA it was multiple agencies which is another.
Important aspect that we don't have time to get into which is that the teamwork and intelligence.
Community but what I then they investigate well no I don't get to that now.
That's not something I can really comment on that really is that a podium finisher for the attorney general on the national security by not returning -- -- law enforcement officer.
Do you think keeping these officers who helped protect the country DC IA officers.
Continued investigation this has been going on for more than two years a year ago.
Eric Holder -- sad it's about over and it's still going on do you think that's appropriate site I work as closely.
With intelligence community as anybody in the White House -- you know and I have the highest regard for our intelligence -- professionals.
We've seen in the last week.
Have one of them really great achievements in the history of intelligence.
So I have the highest regard.
And I am quite familiar with the width of the tenacity and the skill with which this case was put together.
But on this specific case I really can't comment -- -- I'm not I'm not I'm not a law enforcement.
Okay we're gonna run -- we're running out -- and ask you about three different countries -- asked for Rafer.
Answers my questions maybe a little longer than they should be the Obama administration is now making several demands that Pakistan let's run through them.
You're asking for the names of top intelligence operatives to check whether or not they were helping bin Laden.
You want access to bin Laden's wife who was shot in the raid.
And you want.
The tail section about Blackhawk helicopter return question.
Have they agreed to any of those requests and is the president prepared to cut off aid and billions of dollars in aid to the Pakistan -- that they continue to -- We also ended one thought to have access to any other information they gather -- the compound and as we discussed earlier in the conversation that it really is a treasure trove.
Of intelligence that we've made those -- those discussions are our ongoing.
As we as we sit here today.
And it is important by the way.
For the pakistanis to investigate what happened here we don't have evidence at this point.
But the political military -- intelligence leadership in Pakistan knew about the bin Laden operation about a -- Pakistan.
But that issues front and center in Pakistan right now it does need to be investigated one last point in Pakistan.
You need to look at this relationship in his totality.
In terms of our strategic interest -- the national security -- -- might -- to pursue our interest.
And we have had our problems -- Pakistan the Wii is all we have also had.
A tremendous amount of a partnership and cooperation with them in -- for things terrorism including its okay.
Okay Afghanistan the president plans to begin -- draw -- of US forces in Afghanistan in July.
Given that there are now according to reports fewer than a hundred members of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and given the fact that.
That you have had more threats more attacks or attempted attacks on the US homeland from Yemen in the last two years and from Afghanistan.
Does it make sense to keep a 100000 troops on the ground in Afghanistan in a long term counter insurgency operate couple.
-- principal goal of our effort in South Asia including Afghanistan is a strategic defeat al-Qaeda absolutely and we took a very big step towards that on Sunday night first point.
Second point is we also have as a goal not to have Afghanistan become more again.
A safe haven or place where.
An organization like al-Qaeda could have the operational space to plan against this we're making progress Chris on both those goals and we made a lot of progress single number one on Sunday night.
With respect to the draw down pace and numbers that'll be decided on conditions going for those that have been made with respect to take you AP al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen.
When the president came into office he decided to intensify our efforts against al-Qaeda including globally.
And we've intensified the efforts in South Asia as you know and had I think.
A tremendous amount of success on really pressuring this organization and we have efforts globally as well against places like acuity.
Finally we have less than a minute solutions like -- Libya has where the war between -- in the rubble seems now to be a stalemate -- administration official recently defended the president's decision.
Turn over the lead of this operation to NATO and and then here was the comment Obama.
Maybe moving towards something resembling a doctrine and what -- advises described the president's actions and Libya.
As leading from behind.
Question can you honestly say that this idea bleeding from behind is working in -- Have actually no idea who that advisor was the device is not community meeting with the president.
On foreign policy that I know of that would that would have been reflected I think coming all the president's ratings on farm policy point one.
Point two and -- We acted militarily.
In an emergency humanitarian situation to protect thousands of civilians in a town called in Gaza and we have succeeded in doing that.
And we have established in that case after our lead.
Putting the coalition together including our partners we have provided a bit of knowledge base of support and they're doing the ongoing operation just a perfectly good division of labor.
Perfectly good division of life here yes even though Qaddafi is still in power and we got a stalemate Qaddafi still in power today we have done the following that we -- protect civilians.
Who were under threat.
And then -- in other towns and eastern Libya and we are organizing international community continue to put the pressure on him time -- -- and copy CytRx.
This dumb I'm gonna have to leave it there wanna thank you so much for coming in today thank you for having me it's a pleasure please come back -- how well -- next.
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