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Story tonight inside look at how the coerced interrogation work in the bin Laden case.
As you may not only three captured terrorists -- aborted all al-Qaeda big shots and again the information they provided.
Has been vital in defeating the terrorist group.
Joining us now from Washington mark peace in the former chief speechwriter for President Bush who had access to the intelligence on this subject that the president had.
Now I want to set this up.
The president -- you write a speech on coerced interrogation -- also use the information to write a book called courting disaster is that correct.
That is absolutely correct -- so you saw what Mr.
Is that my -- -- the headline is CIA interrogations work I ended the of the fact is.
In the period after 9/11.
We knew absolutely nothing about the enemy you attack as we did not know that Khalid Sheikh Mohamed was the mastermind of 9/11 we didn't know whose key operatives war.
We didn't know what they had planned.
And then we started capturing these terrorists we captured Abu zubaydah who was a key al-Qaeda facilitator and he gave us information that led us to Ramzi Binalshibh who is one of -- -- -- a key operatives.
And they together let us to KSM.
And KSM was resistant when he came into the -- when he was -- provided by the CIA.
When they asked him about new plots he said soon you'll know -- and I'll tell you everything when I when I get to new York and see my lawyer.
They didn't see a lawyer he was hidden in the -- put under enhanced interrogation techniques.
And he went twenty -- once -- he went through those he made his decision to cooperate and when he was done he was running a class and graduate level class on al-Qaeda operations for a for -- for this.
EIA annually clarity that he was broken because of waterboarding was what of what it many times absolutely okay now there's no there's no question let's zero in on.
The courier who is the key to finding -- lot.
That that that -- and another guy who is subjected to enhanced interrogation.
-- she brought a living okay mentioned the carrier pick it up.
Well let me there isn't.
We had very little information about al-Qaeda is courier networks.
What happened was first Abu zubaydah and Ramzi Binalshibh who were the first guys brought into the program gave us some general information about -- is about and then some code names for those folks.
When KSM was interrogated after you underwent waterboarding not during it afterwards.
When he was there when -- is being questioned he acknowledged that he met -- they had -- given us the name of this fellow Al Kuwaiti which was an -- and -- admitted that he knew him.
Then in 2004 we captured a fellow named Hassan -- Who was a who is a senior al-Qaeda operative he was captured in Iraq and he told us that I that this courier Al Kuwaiti.
Was a was a key lieutenant of GSM successor Robert Frost -- Libby daddy mommy and then under duress limited did he do that under -- so -- -- tell us.
Well this is the thing that people don't understand you're hearing a lot of the little -- trying to deny yours of this program are trying to say.
Well did he -- it did they -- -- they tell -- -- under water boarding or under standard interrogation later and that misunderstand how interrogation works.
Enhanced interrogation was never -- to get intelligence it was used to get cooperation -- took a detainee like KSM who was in the state of total resistance.
And you use the enhanced interrogation techniques to bring into a state of cooperation.
And when he's under enhanced interrogation techniques they are asking him questions they already know the answers to.
In order to gauge whether he has stopped lying and made the decision to cooperate and then once he starts cooperating the techniques stop.
In most cases -- enhanced interrogation.
The detainees went under them for a couple of days and -- -- time for a case he was a really tough tough guy he was he went for about a month.
But once that -- -- -- -- The interrogations the enhanced interrogation stopped and -- he we had a congress they they had a conversation with him like you and are speaking today all right so you're convinced and dead that information provided by -- and then the other guy -- who was captured a couple years later.
Pinpointed to the CIA this courier and then they started detail on the net that led to.
Bin Laden's demise that correct well actually yes well I'll move -- -- I'm sorry Al Hassan Gould told us that he was a key operative.
Of Abu -- -- -- who has -- some successor after he was captured.
So they capture a move for Raj in 2005.
And he's brought into the CIA interrogation program he's not water boarded but he is but he undergoes enhanced interrogation.
And was resistant brought into a state of cooperation.
And then he starts giving them information about the courier networks in the identifying individuals and giving them.
Information about how the careers operate -- the drops are and so on so forth and ask him about Al Kuwaiti and he says I don't know.
And -- of people say that's proof that he well he -- What but it will we knew that he knew him because I've moved because -- some -- -- told us that he was his key deputy.
So what it's that was the red flag that told the CIA this is the guy he's protecting this is the guy we have to go laughter so it has it had not been for that process.
Starting -- was -- -- in 2002.
Identifying the names KSM confirming the name Hassan rule telling us he was barrages deputy and then Fries denying that he even knew the -- Then they the FC I would have never known this is the got to zero in on and they went after him found him and it took years to do it found him and eventually followed him to bin Laden Blair.
What do you make it John McCain coming out and -- that you don't Paulus and -- stuff doesn't work didn't do anything force.
Well he like -- -- -- Barack Obama has a vested interest and saying it doesn't work because he was a prayer of an opponent up but I mean the big problem we face now.
Bill is that we don't have this tool anymore.
Barack Obama on his second day in office eliminated this tool from our counterterrorism arsenal so the tool.
That got us the intelligence that led us to Osama bin Laden is no longer in use we have not.
Captured and detained and interrogated -- seen a single.
High value detainee since Barack Obama was present I -- -- bring only a matter ask question that there is a big shot.
And al-Qaeda big shot in custody in Pakistan who morrow picked tech.
Who is -- -- He is a very very senior guy.
This that this is in there after when -- was captured he gave us information that rounded up a set a a network of southeast Asian terrorists that he had been pulled together.
In order to plan the follow on attacks after 9/11.
And the only guy who got away it was -- hot second he's been hiding on the Philippines for about ten years disappeared from the face of the Europe.
All of a sudden.
News reports started indicating that he was in Yemen.
Then there were news reports the Associated Press reported that he was admit at a meeting of jihadist and but in many times we got we got -- -- -- -- -- chase that we got I'm sure we don't have on Pakistan has and how come we haven't talked off.
Hide that because one we don't have we we don't have it that -- in the black sites have been closed by Barack Obama and the enhanced interrogation techniques are gone so we have no interrogation plan.
Leon Panetta said if we ever captured UBL bring him to Guantanamo we should bring the mark -- to Guantanamo back but we can't because Pakistan want animal.
Well that's that's that's the problem you know we've -- when it has never captured they handed him over Norman Binalshibh was captured they handed him over but data analyst guy anymore all right this is a big story this just developing mysteries -- fascinating thank you very much we --
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