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This now with a couple of terrific.
Journalist Liz -- is a veteran of about fifty years of some of the best reporting -- had decided that conducts itself.
I have to say fifty -- started when she was about five.
All around the Doug Schoen is a veteran.
Democratic campaign consultant.
Also one of the best in the business of Fox News contributor both the -- fox.
You know what's interesting about this thing in upstate New York this this is very shrewd or clever.
Or diabolical if you're cynic like Diane.
This guy Jack Davis.
As a Tea Party got -- T park he's Democrat.
And but -- -- -- by running it is Tea Party guys able to sock away some critical votes from Jane Corwin the Republican.
So the -- -- want.
-- I don't know that made the difference -- got a -- percent of the vote I believe.
But if you what did you think -- hopeful it made about a person who was.
For -- was 4743.
Between local and Corwin.
Davis -- eight or nine I think the larger message though is Medicare -- this was a district.
That John McCain carried by 40000.
Votes -- -- the second or third most Republican district.
In the State of New York so for the Democrats to win or even come close.
It says that you -- that huge upset huge problem for the Republicans let's put it in context great.
Last November you and I agree.
Because it was incontrovertible that the Democrats were were -- of argument.
Out of ammunition.
And there had been a swing back to the Republicans away from the Democrats it's clear and -- ambiguous.
Was about 56 months later.
In -- Republican district.
Because of the Ryan plan and the politics of it may well be as diabolical as you say but they were -- diabolical -- effective.
And bottom line the Republicans are the -- -- who have politically at least if not sustainably but politically certainly seize defeat from the jaws of victory that I picked.
Some of the constituents here -- were absolutely.
Outraged and disgusted.
By the Republican.
Congressmen who had to abruptly resigned.
And thus the special election.
You know posed with his shirt off he's told me -- -- very -- but he's trolling the Internet.
For women enemies -- half naked in server than any -- just that awful.
But but Liz -- Did democrats' best Republicans in terms of delivering a message -- Medicare.
I know that I go that far at the question I would ask as because -- is a broader one and that is.
Who is going did say we have to have some pain in this.
There's going to be somebody is going to suffer there's no way to cut Medicare -- that it.
And everybody seems to be passing the ball saying we can do it without it but that giving up anything.
I was watching last night an interview Woodley -- -- the former prime minister of Singapore and of course you know I -- graduate of Oxford brilliant man.
And he made the point so well and he said the entire west is going to have to bear pain for where they are now.
And I think once you get down to what's happening on the Medicare suggestions in Washington.
It's like passing the -- There you know duck and it strikes me having watched some of these town hall meetings where Medicare is front and center.
-- a lot of people especially seniors don't understand.
Plan because there was one in particular in which they were all these senior citizens in the restraining -- there are outraged.
At Republican congressman it was -- -- because they thought they were gonna have Medicare take away from them.
Until he explained it will win a minute you're over 55 or -- yes yes.
Look there's nothing to.
And then also the crowd calmed down yeah they didn't know that -- which is the bad fundamental Tenet.
Of Ryan's plan.
You have Republicans really failed to convey effectively.
-- -- -- primary principle of their plan.
Well I think there -- three things first the right through from some questions correct they have failed to communicate the promise of their plan.
The second thing that they failed to do.
Is they failed to try to.
He engaged to Democrats in any sort of meaningful dialogue is sort of the Ryan plan or nothing and people are taking the status quo however unsustainable and maybe.
-- and the third thing that's happened.
Is America doesn't like extreme ideas.
From out of the blue and the Ryan plan as you know.
Seeks to eliminate Medicare was a voucher system -- may make sense but the idea of just stepping in.
Without any preparation and going that far just -- scene was even if they're not going to be effective.
Those don't have a better is the albatross around the president's -- Is the Ryan plan you know trust around Republican candidates match seems like it's going to be the central issue in I mean if we can.
If it is today analysts something supersedes it.
Ryan's going to be on trop is it's the face of the Republican Party at the moment on that issue I would does it send it then yes I gasoline --
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